Raiding is becoming less and less optional

[Frizze]

Instead of ShB being around the Crystal Tower, it is around the island of Eureka.
The Eureka storyline has many ties to the MSQ.
It will be required to complete the Eureka storyline in order to progress in the MSQ in 5.3

Would you not come onto the forums to state your dissatisfaction? Would you not feel like this is "forced?"

Most people don't like Eureka. I do. So would you appreciate me telling you to "suck it up," "your making mountain out of a molehill," etc. No, you wouldn't.

So in this scenario, they told us over a year ago that finishing Eureka would enhance our ShB experience(with extra dialogue and whatnot) and now we're finding out that it will actually be required? I wouldnt feel forced at all. In that scenario, i probly finished Eureka last spring. If somehow i hadnt found time for it then, id have certainly found time by now. Ive been(slowly) leveling classes i dont care about for months, i could carve out time for an important story beat to happen. And i say this as someone who went into Anemos when it was new, stayed for maybe an hour, and never went back. Yeah, id "suck it up" and not come to the forums to complain about it.

[Xtrasweettea]

So in this scenario, they told us over a year ago that finishing Eureka would enhance our ShB experience(with extra dialogue and whatnot) and now we're finding out that it will actually be required? I wouldnt feel forced at all. In that scenario, i probly finished Eureka last spring. If somehow i hadnt found time for it then, id have certainly found time by now. Ive been(slowly) leveling classes i dont care about for months, i could carve out time for an important story beat to happen. And i say this as someone who went into Anemos when it was new, stayed for maybe an hour, and never went back. Yeah, id "suck it up" and not come to the forums to complain about it.

That would be you. Though, basing on your join date on the forums, you should have seen the many complaint threads about Eureka when it was relevant. I am very sure that if this scenario became true (which it would never, thank goodness), you would see the same amount of threads complaining about now Eureka being a requirement.

What is ironic is that there will be an expectation from people who enjoyed the content, like me, to be empathetic towards those who don't like Eureka. "Understand where we are coming from," they would say (which they said in those past threads towards anyway who stated they enjoyed Eureka). Yet, there is no level of empathy towards those who have had no interest in doing CT from those who at least are neutral towards CT.

[EaMett]

That would be you. Though, basing on your join date on the forums, you should have seen the many complaint threads about Eureka when it was relevant. I am very sure that if this scenario became true (which it would never, thank goodness), you would see the same amount of threads complaining about now Eureka being a requirement.

What is ironic is that there will be an expectation from people who enjoyed the content, like me, to be empathetic towards those who don't like Eureka. "Understand where we are coming from," they would say (which they said in those past threads towards anyway who stated they enjoyed Eureka). Yet, there is no level of empathy towards those who have had no interest in doing CT from those who at least are neutral towards CT.

I mean, CT raids take you under an hour and require little to no effort. Eureka on the other hand...

[Xtrasweettea]

I mean, CT raids take you under an hour and require little to no effort. Eureka on the other hand...

I know, that is why in my original post, I stated that they are not comparable for completion.

The whole point of that scenario was "How would you feel by now having to do something that was originally optional to now mandatory and you had at least no interest in doing the content." It was to have people to stop and think for a second about another point of view outside of their own point of view.

[Stepjam]

I know, that is why in my original post, I stated that they are not comparable for completion.

The whole point of that scenario was "How would you feel by now having to do something that was originally optional to now mandatory and you had at least no interest in doing the content." It was to have people to stop and think for a second about another point of view outside of their own point of view.

As long as it wasn't a major investment, I probably wouldn't mind. Might even be an excuse to check out parts of the game I had ignored until that point. The game is encouraging you to play it, I don't see what's wrong with that.

[Rosenstrauch]

I mean CT raids take you under an hour and require little to no effort. Eureka on the other hand...

Seriously. If you went at a reasonable pace with Eureka, it would probably take at least a month, if not two, to get all the way to the end. By contrast the entirety of the CT storyline, raids included, can be completed in half a work day at worst. I'd even go as far as saying Eureka requires far more coordination with other people than the Crystal Tower raids and is more difficult in general, especially when it comes to each zone's higher level FATEs.

[Frizze]

That would be you. Though, basing on your join date on the forums, you should have seen the many complaint threads about Eureka when it was relevant. I am very sure that if this scenario became true (which it would never, thank goodness), you would see the same amount of threads complaining about now Eureka being a requirement.

What is ironic is that there will be an expectation from people who enjoyed the content, like me, to be empathetic towards those who don't like Eureka. "Understand where we are coming from," they would say (which they said in those past threads towards anyway who stated they enjoyed Eureka). Yet, there is no level of empathy towards those who have had no interest in doing CT from those who at least are neutral towards CT.

Yes, that would be me. I was replying to you telling me(the reader) how i would feel. I absolutely remember the complaints about Eureka. And if your scenario were to play out(which we both agree is extremely unlikely) i would be on the forums telling those people to suck it up. I would also probly be able to tell them how long it takes to do now that the nerfs are in place, since i would have done it by now. Im not without any empathy for someone being forced to do content they dont enjoy(ive done way more PvP then i care for to get a few of the easier rewards that i had to have and a absolutely dread the next time i force myself into it for the next little trinket that catches my eye), im just viewing this particular instance as overblown. The CT raids are 15 mins, 12 mins, and about 25 mins with maybe an hour of general questing and cutscenes. Ive seen some people(not saying you) acting like the world was ending over less then 2 hours of content they need to do once then never touch again.