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    Quote Originally Posted by Avidria View Post
    As someone who's frequently openly critical of the questionable or downright silly decisions this and other dev teams have made, I'm just gonna say... this really isn't one of them imo. I get people aren't gonna enjoy the content.
    But in this case, it is. Make raids not part of the MSQ. Make it a sub-chain like the Crystal Tower, and how they've done for almost/if not all of them.

    Some people just don't like grouping. I LOVE grouping, and it sucks having people who have 0 interest in it in my group. If people don't want to be involved in that content, then why are we trying to force them? Imo, it just ruins the fun for both sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klaleara View Post
    But in this case, it is. Make raids not part of the MSQ. Make it a sub-chain like the Crystal Tower, and how they've done for almost/if not all of them.

    Some people just don't like grouping. I LOVE grouping, and it sucks having people who have 0 interest in it in my group. If people don't want to be involved in that content, then why are we trying to force them? Imo, it just ruins the fun for both sides.
    Grouping is already required for the MSQ. It always has been. We've always been required to do dungeons and trials. And yeah, for some, that's gonna suck. I have a good friend who quit months ago because of it. I myself got irritated at times because the queues were long and some of the dungeons themselves, frankly, sucked.

    I wouldn't be opposed to there being a solo story version, but I'm guessing that's a whole lot more dev time than they're evidently willing to put in for this. The easy solution on their end is to just require the content that already exists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avidria View Post
    Grouping is already required for the MSQ. It always has been. We've always been required to do dungeons and trials. And yeah, for some, that's gonna suck. I have a good friend who quit months ago because of it. I myself got irritated at times because the queues were long and some of the dungeons themselves, frankly, sucked.

    I wouldn't be opposed to there being a solo story version, but I'm guessing that's a whole lot more dev time than they're evidently willing to put in for this. The easy solution on their end is to just require the content that already exists.
    I realized this after I said it. Remembered that the roulette for the MSQ is always that insanely long raid that isn't even entertaining. Basically why I never roulette MSQ. So my apologies for my idiotic reply.

    Best solution, would be able to skip it, and let an NPC summarize what happens. I feel like it wouldn't take long for the devs to implement such a thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avidria View Post
    I wouldn't be opposed to there being a solo story version, but I'm guessing that's a whole lot more dev time than they're evidently willing to put in for this. The easy solution on their end is to just require the content that already exists.
    I've been thinking about this for a while actually and what they might do. Now, I can say with certainty that the chances of them adding solo story versions are actually not unlikely because of one specific addition: the Trust system. With that you were able to do all of the MSQ required 4man dungeons with NPC's without any queue times at all at your own pace, but for the 8mans you still needed to do that with people.

    But just look at what they added for the relic trial, an 8man boss where it was you and 7 NPC's. Taking this in to account, we could reach the point where they will allow us to start using the Trust system for normal mode content whether it be 4man or 8man. Now I actually ignored the Trust system leveling through ShB simply because I always level Paladin first so my queue times were never an issue, but for DPS mains I could easily see the appeal of doing this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsaranoga View Post
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    I question the garbage decisions of the developers every day, I main healers. Having CT - a very story relevant plot line - be mandatory is not a foolish decision. And if you're going to rage quit over it, bye. Thanks for telling us that you're leaving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stepjam View Post
    The only raiding that's actually "raiding" is savage raiding, and that will never be mandatory because outside Binding Coil of Bahamut, savage difficulty raids have no plot. Only normal raids do, and normal raids are basically slightly more complex trials in terms of difficulty.
    As I said before in this thread, to eliminate semantics, a raid is defined as anything that’s under the Raid tab in Duty Finder regardless of how you personally might define it.

    It is SE’s definition. Even if it’s faceroll easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lium View Post
    As I said before in this thread, to eliminate semantics, a raid is defined as anything that’s under the Raid tab in Duty Finder regardless of how you personally might define it.

    It is SE’s definition. Even if it’s faceroll easy.
    I feel like you are getting hung up on a name. The point is, the content is designed for everyone, just like dungeons. Do you get upset when you have to do a trial for the msq? Dungeon? No? Why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lium View Post
    I feel like this thread will be necro’d in a few years when raiding has become mandatory as part of the MSQ. And I don’t mean some old raid, but a current raid.

    So, for those of you reading in this future, I told you so.
    Perhaps.

    Or perhaps you'll look at it when you've played CT to get through to the next part of the MSQ, and think "why was I even worried?"



    Quote Originally Posted by Lium View Post
    As I said before in this thread, to eliminate semantics, a raid is defined as anything that’s under the Raid tab in Duty Finder regardless of how you personally might define it.

    It is SE’s definition. Even if it’s faceroll easy.
    You know what's also in the Duty Finder besides the "raid tab" next to the dungeon tab? The Raid Finder that's split off into an entirely different section to let raiders access and practice the high-level hard content.

    Not even current normal-mode raids go in there.

    (I'm also not entirely certain, but I think current EX trials do get put in that section. Can someone confirm that?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by negiman4 View Post
    This game's categorization of "raids" is fucking retarded and extremely confusing. Let me break this down for you. Crystal Tower, Mhach, Return to Ivalice, and YoRHa: Dark Apocalypse are called ALLIANCE RAIDS. Alliance Raids are easy, casual 24-man raids that take about 30-60 minutes to clear depending on the group. These are for casual players.

    The Binding Coil of Bahamut (Normal/Savage), Alexander (Savage), Omega (Savage), Eden (Savage), Unending Coil of Bahamut (Ultimate), The Weapon's Refrain (Ultimate), and The Epic of Alexander (Ultimate): These are the game's hardcore raids. These will NEVER be mandatory. They consist of 8-man parties that face extremely tight mechanics and dps checks for the game's rarest loot. All the Normal versions of these raids, with the exception of The Binding Coil of Bahamut, are casual content.
    Which by the way, as an aside, Bahamut is a main reason I always laugh at people who say this game is too easy. I played WoW for 12 years and I never remembered a single raid in that game more challenging than T9. Even at level 80 in 480+ gear, it’s very difficult to solo because of unavoidable instakill mechanics. Or it’s avoidable in a very tight window.

    Hell, dungeons in this game expect more of you than anything in WoW ever did. Again, because pretty much everything in FFXIV from 50 on up, has instakill mechanics. Dungeons like Cutter’s Cry and Pharos Sirius spring to mind. There are no low level dungeons like that anywhere in WoW. At least when I played.

    The only exception to this was Cataclysm. And everyone complained it was too hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lium View Post
    Which by the way, as an aside, Bahamut is a main reason I always laugh at people who say this game is too easy. I played WoW for 12 years and I never remembered a single raid in that game more challenging than T9. Even at level 80 in 480+ gear, it’s very difficult to solo because of unavoidable instakill mechanics. Or it’s avoidable in a very tight window.

    Hell, dungeons in this game expect more of you than anything in WoW ever did. Again, because pretty much everything in FFXIV from 50 on up, has instakill mechanics. Dungeons like Cutter’s Cry and Pharos Sirius spring to mind. There are no low level dungeons like that anywhere in WoW. At least when I played.

    The only exception to this was Cataclysm. And everyone complained it was too hard.
    What instakill mechanics lol? Being hit into the wall?
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