Eureka 2.0

**StriderShinryu** · 05-05-2020 05:14 AM

I mean, if by "hours and hours" you mean the occasional storyline cutscene or instance, I guess. From my interpretation, I doubt it will be all that much more expansive than what we've already seen. Progress your weapon to a certain point using whichever of the two methods you choose and then do maybe an hour of storyline content.

**WhiteArchmage** · 05-05-2020 05:21 AM

There's no guarantee the Bozjan Front will even HAVE a storyline. it could just as easily be: Go in, be presented with the different routes one can take to upgrade the Weapon, and the next quest will simply involve presenting the weapon to the NPC no matter how you got it, and bam! Next part of the story.

**RareItems** · 05-05-2020 05:54 AM

Could be worse. They could lock it behind an EX Trial like the Dyeable 5.0 Relic gear lol.

**Amnmaat** · 05-05-2020 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by RareItems

Could be worse. They could lock it behind an EX Trial like the Dyeable 5.0 Relic gear lol.

Yeah, I really don't understand how Yoship approved that. Relic is casual heaven, why lock casual content behind raiding/hardcore stuff?

**Ultimatecalibur** · 05-06-2020 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by Amnmaat

Yeah, I really don't understand how Yoship approved that. Relic is casual heaven, why lock casual content behind raiding/hardcore stuff?

The Idealized gear is unlikely to be the only way we get dyeable AF4 gear. There will likely be an unweathering step added in the future that will give dyeable AF4 with 2 materia slots. The EX and Idealized gears 5 materia slots are there for the midcore+ playerbase not casual players.

**Amnmaat** · 05-06-2020 05:19 AM

Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

The Idealized gear is unlikely to be the only way we get dyeable AF4 gear. There will likely be an unweathering step added in the future that will give dyeable AF4 with 2 materia slots. The EX and Idealized gears 5 materia slots are there for the midcore+ playerbase not casual players.

Midcore playerbase doesn't really exist in XIV.

**Sindele** · 05-06-2020 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by Amnmaat

Midcore playerbase doesn't really exist in XIV.

Midcore very much does exist, it's just that the "midcore" moniker has been deeply co-opted and most actual midcore players get bundled into casual.

**Iscah** · 05-06-2020 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

The Idealized gear is unlikely to be the only way we get dyeable AF4 gear. There will likely be an unweathering step added in the future that will give dyeable AF4 with 2 materia slots. The EX and Idealized gears 5 materia slots are there for the midcore+ playerbase not casual players.

Ooh, good point. That would be a good compromise for letting people have easier access to the dyeable gear, but still holding some value for the EX trial version.

It could be like Eureka where ilevel synch means the gear (and easy overmelding) remains valuable despite not being the latest content.

(The exact label of "weathered" still bugs me - seeing as how they're newly made for us after we give Grenoldt his inspiration boost. "Prototype" like the Alexandrian gear could work, or "experimental" or "inspired" or something.)

**Aldora** · 05-05-2020 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by RareItems

Could be worse. They could lock it behind an EX Trial like the Dyeable 5.0 Relic gear lol.

The interesting thing is that during 2.0, when the very first relic was released, you had to fight the Hard Mode versions of Ifrit, Garuda and Titan. Back then, those 3 were the highest difficulty trials we had. Quite a few people complained, because they couldn't clear Titan (latency was a very big factor then). This resulted in easier content being used for getting the relic, but also the time you needed to invest into getting it was increased dramatically.

Players crawled back into their pens and complained that it took too long to finish a relic, or that it was locked behind specific content like Beastmen Dailies, Crafting and Random drops from FATES or Instanced content. As time went by, players would start to ask Yoshida to have the Relics go back to their basics and make the quest more like the first relic (where you had to clear trials again). This was emphasized when Pagos was released.

Right now, i'm in the process of maintaining 2 different characters. One on a NA server, where i've spend most of my FFXIV time since the release of 1.0 and one on a EU Server were i run Savage content with a raid group. Due to this, i have to split my time across multiple characters. So, personally, i'm happy that they introduced an Extreme Trial where you can get Relic gear.

It's something different from hopping into content which you need to grind for an extended period of time. I find it more fun to put up a Party Finder group and see if you can clear the content with people who are willing to learn the fight and stick around for the entirety of the duty timer (if needed). That way, you get a lot more satisfaction for clearing the content and working towards getting the relic gear you want (as a group).

But, not everyone feels the same way, so i'm all for options where you can either choose to run Eureka type content to get a relic or run content like the Extreme Trials and get it that way. Both types of content will require players to invest time and effort in order to get the relic, but with different levels of difficulty.

**BasicBlake** · 05-05-2020 06:29 AM

Hell yeah more eureka! Something that will take me longer than 1.5 hours with breaks. I get to go into a new zone as a group with all my friends?? Sounds terrible.

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