When two tanks duel without dying... you know there is a problem

[Chase_Tribal]

So I was dueling people at wolves den... I dueled someone as a gnb and he was also a gnb. We kept hitting each other and whenever we lost hp we just used a potion. This literally went on infinitely until one of us went out of the arena. This is ridiculous! Are you serious? This is pvp? This is fun? Wow, something is seriously broken here when two tanks can't even duel anymore because neither person will ever get past all the ridiculous healing abilities.

All the healing abilities for non-healers need to go away.

[Canadane]

PvP was never designed for 1v1 so no, that wouldn't be very fun.

[Commander_Justitia]

atm balancing works like: let's try this out, this sounds good > frontline > feast > duelling

its a hot mess

you see you are the end, where nobody cares about it, it should look like this...

feast > duelling

frontline standalone (2nd traitsystem, aoe skills only needed here)

so go figure out how you put everything together and please all the players when you can't do that yet

[Psycoprophet]

Easy solution, remove potions and add a skill as a dedicated heal and condi clear skill both on a 24 sec CD. Somthing like this just in pvp modes may work.

[Shurrikhan]

Easy solution, remove potions and add a skill as a dedicated heal and condi clear skill both on a 24 sec CD. Somthing like this just in pvp modes may work.

Or perhaps just have percentile mitigation also apply to effect duration? Voila, tanks don't spend their whole time getting CCed into oblivion.

[Divinemights]

The real problem is that people believed that PvP balance is based on 1 v 1.

[BloodRubyXII]

If a tank was able to kill another tank in a 1v1, I think then I'd know there is a problem.

[Psycoprophet]

Well a player on a tank should be able to kill another tank if they out play them no?

[Esmoire]

With all due respect, I feel absolutely no concessions in game design and job balance should be given to duels. We should make no job adjustments in the favour of duels and nothing about the power distribution of roles should take duels into account. We should focus on making the most compelling Feast possible first, then when that is satisfied see if we can ensure Frontline is as fun as possible without compromise to Feast. Given the jobs only have one kit for both, this is already spreading ourselves thin, and there's room for improvement.

Make no mistake: I don't want to come across as dismissive. If we think duels can provide some kind of compelling gameplay for people, I am amiable to cost-effective and harmless changes to make it more fun for those people. Maybe something like Medical Kits not working in duels or something? Since all the jobs share the same Medical Kit action it should be a relatively cheap solution.

Well a player on a tank should be able to kill another tank if they out play them no?

Outplaying them how? I think there is a big misunderstanding here if we think a tank killing another tank is a sign of outplaying them, since that would imply tanks are balanced 1v1, and that your ability to kill another tank as a tank is an important skill. A useful skill, but kind of tertiary, and far from a sound evaluation of what makes a tank good or bad. Your mastery of a tank is demonstrated by your ability to control or disrupt the enemy team, peel for your allies, and assist your allies in focusing down key targets, of which the tank while a valid target isn't typically a priority.

[Shinklet]

Stop balancing pvp around casual content.