Idea for a new range dps gunner!

[CKNovel]

MCH is a mix between gunner and Machinist.
Yeah, the job should entirely go MCH and Gunner might be a job of its own.

But as Paladin is a mix between Paladin and Holy Knight, War a mix between Warrior and Berserker, DRK a mix between Rune Knight...
BRD a mix between ranger and bard, Ninja a mix between Thief and Ninja...

Job mix exist to satisfy two needs in one go and that's what happened with MCH.

[SamRF]

MCH is a mix between gunner and Machinist.
Yeah, the job should entirely go MCH and Gunner might be a job of its own.

But as Paladin is a mix between Paladin and Holy Knight, War a mix between Warrior and Berserker, DRK a mix between Rune Knight...
BRD a mix between ranger and bard, Ninja a mix between Thief and Ninja...

Job mix exist to satisfy two needs in one go and that's what happened with MCH.

To me it just makes the Jobs less or simply not satisfying by mixing some other archetype with it. Would much rather prefer having full archetype even if it meant having less. Bard has it the worst imo.

[dinnertime]

I really don't get the complaints about Machinist not being like a full blown gunslinger. It's not supposed to be. It's a Machinist.
It makes sense that Machinist uses a gun because, newsflash, a gun is a form of machinery. The new design philosophy solidifies the machinist aesthetic by using different other machinery which is what it's supposed to be.

One of the only jobs in the game that mixes two archetypes is really just Bard because thematically you don't see Bards use a bow and arrow pretending to be skilled huntsmen. Paladin in the RPG sense has always been idealized as some sort of Holy/White knight. Warrior is literally just Berserker in a different name. Ninja in FFXIV barely has anything thievish about it other than the Mug skill and using daggers.

Anyway, another job that handles a gun I still see being a possibility. I mean, we have two jobs that use a staff and cane, then a grimoire and codex which are essentially the same thing, then a handful of jobs using different types of swords.

[Shurrikhan]

I really don't get the complaints about Machinist not being like a full blown gunslinger. It's not supposed to be. It's a Machinist.

I've... only seen the opposite, to the point of many, as with Bard, wanting the its weapon elements relegated to a base class and all job skills focused solidly on machinistry (just as Bard would be focused on song once expanding past Archer).

[Cithaerias_pyropina]

I've... only seen the opposite, to the point of many, as with Bard, wanting the its weapon elements relegated to a base class and all job skills focused solidly on machinistry (just as Bard would be focused on song once expanding past Archer).

That would make both of those jobs look incredibly clunky in both aesthetic and theme, MCH less so than Bard.

A Bard insta-sheathes their bow and pulls a flute and harp out of literally, and I mean literally, nowhere to use Mage's Ballad, Army's Paeon, Wanderer's Minuet, Peloton and maybe Troubadour (I don't pay close enough attention to that ability to know), the harp and flute then disappears into the dark-void and they draw their bow, instantly, to pewpew Heavy Shots. That, to me, screams utter nonsense in the way of visual fluidity and design. If the devs wanted it to work, and work well, Bard would have strummed something on their bows to use those aforementioned abilities, but they never have even before Bard's songs were reworked in Stormblood.

Machinist doesn't suffer that badly from its "pre-50" abilities and weaponskills being disctintly different from its "post-50" abilities and weaponskills though.

Bard should have been a totally different job, like a music based healer or music slinging DPS with a few support abilities (Bard could and should have been what Dancer currently is), and Archer's job upgrade should have been Sniper or Ranger. And no, they shouldn't have been split branches like Summoner and Scholar. Bard should have been an absolutely different class and job altogether separate from Archer.

[CKNovel]

To me it just makes the Jobs less or simply not satisfying by mixing some other archetype with it. Would much rather prefer having full archetype even if it meant having less. Bard has it the worst imo.

I completely agree with this...
I'd love to have a Rune Knight or a Rogue and it especially feels weird with Ninja.
It can be understood with Warrior as it's basically an angry fighter with an axe.

But Gunner and Machinist are different jobs.
If you look at Machinist, there is Edgar and Mustadio that is a Machinist only by the title.
If you look at Gunner, you have Vincent, Irvine, Sazh, Balthier and Prompto who still uses machinery as weapons.

XIV's Machinist was supposed to be a gadgeteer but the name "Machinist" did not fit.
I also believe they should make a real Gun-user job, there is plenty material through the FF series and that already exist in XIV (Ivalice raid for example), however the game badly needs a new healer and I don't think adding a 4th ranged would be a good idea unless they rethink the role.

Machinist should focus on heavy machineries. I'd love to see Flamethrower reworked into a stance to maintain like Enochian, the 1-2-3 combos, Gauss round and Ricochet would be replaced with Flamethrower abilities.
Gunner on light tools and why not swapping through multiple guns, creating "stances" like the BRD and its different songs, except no procs and why not an improved ammo mechanic.