How to deal with Cure/Benefic 1?

[Morningstar1337]

Alright, as it stands when you reach a certain point those skill become useless as Cure/Benefic II are superior in every way, yet they still remain because they're tied to traits that are just as useless due to needing the spells.

Therefore I propose moving those traits to either DPS skills (Stone/Malefic) or have them be proced by the II skills they were meant to proc, and then having Cure and Benefic be subjected to the same treatment as Stone, Aero, Ruin, etc.

Thoughts?

(Physick isn't mentioned here because it's kinda more of a lateral move and has no direct upgrades)

[Deceptus]

Said it before much like other skills get upgraded via trait Cure/Physic/Benefic should be no different. Because at certain HP levels they become irrelevant.

[EaMett]

They still have some use (albeit limited) during prog, when mana runs low. It's a 20-30% mana save compared to their II counterparts. But alas, I don't think anyone would have complaints if it were changed to upgrade to cure II.

[KDSilver]

Imo, just delete and reduce the II mp cost.

[Shurrikhan]

Imo, just delete and reduce the II mp cost.

Y'know, we don't really need Medica II or Helios either, right? Let's get rid of those, too.

Just like we never needed Aero III, Miasma, etc., right?

If there's any chance of making skills, or the niches into which they ought to fit, more useful and enjoyable rather than outright removing them, can we at least take the time to consider those possibilities before joining the devs on the 'just gut it all' bandwagon?

[KDSilver]

Y'know, we don't really need Medica II or Helios either, right? Let's get rid of those, too.

You still use Medica II over Medica and Cure III if you're out of lily/Asylum/Assize/Plenary.
It has far more uses than the first basic spell.
As for Helios/Medica, they need a revamp, but need to stay, because you need an option to make a direct aoe heal if the regen has already been aplied and your in need of this direct heal.
As to when it happen, consdering the amount of oGCD we have, it's real emergencies and you probably have spent the rest on a lot of mistake, so this can be considered very niche indeed.

But the grade I&II spell basically do the same, one being completely forgotten because weak and then not as GCD efficient as the other.
I don't see why theses weird comparison. Skill you mentioned don't serve the same purpose. I don't find that exagerrated at all when we analyze the current state of those skills.
Besides, if we need room for new spell in the future, I would totally see them go away and it's wouldn't be bad.
So I'm sorry but I disagree.

[Rasikko]

Cant just remove them, still need them for low end content, plus they are good for fluff damage.

Y'know, we don't really need Medica II or Helios either, right? Let's get rid of those, too.

Just like we never needed Aero III, Miasma, etc., right?

If there's any chance of making skills, or the niches into which they ought to fit, more useful and enjoyable rather than outright removing them, can we at least take the time to consider those possibilities before joining the devs on the 'just gut it all' bandwagon?

Removing Aero 3 was not only bone headed, but chopped off a big source of WHM dps.

[Shurrikhan]

Removing Aero 3 was not only bone headed, but chopped off a big source of WHM dps.

The thing is, though, as long as we're looking at design only in terms of reaching X HPS or DPS, all we need to do is adjust the remaining kit; we lose only gameplay, not output.
Why have decisions when we can just increase Holy's potency floor to make up for the loss of Aero III?
Why have decisions when we can just drop the tickle-heal of Medica II once we have Solace for our on-demand?
Why have decisions we can just drop Freecure entirely and upgrade Cure directly into Cure II?

Obviously, I think we should be instead increasing the amount of healing healers have to do, slightly further improving the 'quick-cast' function of the basic skills after their stronger counterparts arrive as to give space enough for a full oGCD weave, and improving on trait features such as Freecure, but the same logic that works for removing Cure/Physic/Benefic here really does follow the same logic that let the devs do away with Aero III and the like.

[Kabooa]

The thing is, though, as long as we're looking at design only in terms of reaching X HPS or DPS, all we need to do is adjust the remaining kit; we lose only gameplay, not output.

I wouldn't call DoTs gameplay unless there are meaningful interactions with them. Without that, they're just 'bigger potency' buttons you can't push all the time.

I've missed Aero 3's animation more than I have the spell itself.

[Iscah]

I wonder if you could merge Cure with the lily charges through an upgrade or trait? Something like "will be instant cast if you have a lily, otherwise it has charge time and MP cost?