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  1. #21
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    AduroT's Avatar
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    Aduro Terrarum
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    Just add a rooftop or balcony garden to apartments. Solves a lot of the issues right there.
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  2. #22
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    Chloe Lehideux
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldevern View Post
    The housing is broken. There's unfortunatly nothing new.
    Many people don't give a f*** about neighborood but they keep this system as if neighborood were the Alpha and the Omega.
    The neighborood is broken since individuals can get a house, it makes ghosts towns but never mind, they prioritize wards with broken neighborood. sigh...

    They could upgrade flats, offer several size, a greenhouse but no... always wards...
    With a centrale aetheryte they could propose instancied housing with gardens and simulated neighborood but... we don't see anything of this kind.

    I have no illusions about Ishgard.
    I do care about neighborhoods, the instances houses are in are one of the nicest instances in the damn game and i see people spending time there, its just that there are 30 wards of those instances and people are spread through those wards. If limsa had 30 or so wards it would be the same.
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  3. #23
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    R'lileen Min'enoth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    I do care about neighborhoods, the instances houses are in are one of the nicest instances in the damn game and i see people spending time there, its just that there are 30 wards of those instances and people are spread through those wards. If limsa had 30 or so wards it would be the same.
    Many neither means all or every...

    Because some people care about neighborood all other are ignored.

    And every time I go in wards, in majority they are dead empty. The ones populated are those with a big FC in the area. It is like that since the release of the housing and worst since they opened it to individuals.

    And you do understand "it is dead" as "delete housing". We don't ask that. They could just upgrade apartments to make them interesting with different sizes and a greenhouse. It is not a big deal. At least, it is the fastest and lightest solution.
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    Last edited by Eldevern; 04-25-2020 at 07:07 PM.

  4. #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldevern View Post
    Many neither means all or every...

    Because some people care about neighborood all other are ignored.

    And every time I go in wards, in majority they are dead empty. The ones populated are those with a big FC in the area. It is like that since the release of the housing and worst since they opened it to individuals.
    The all others you are talking about are exaggerating the problem.
    Each server has 5040 plots, which is going to increase up to 6300 with the upcoming new housing area in future patch.
    So depending on the server these are enough to give 70-100% of players on each server their own housing plot, and there a lot of people who simply dont care about housing, so you could say on the medium and small populated servers there are enough of houses for those who want a house and i could even see a lot of plots in twintania right now in the mist being empty.

    This problem persists only on large server and during the virus pandemic, due to the demolotion being cancelled for some time. Give it some time and OP and you will be able to get a house you want, i never see the same people complaining over this housing system i guess they got what they wanted anyway.
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  5. #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
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    There are both FC and individuals and when you see one FC with TWO FULL WARDS, the problem exists more than you want to believe it.
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    Altoholic
    La normalité n'est que la moyenne de nos folies individuelles.
    Normality is just an average. I'm the weird, you're the bizarre.

  6. #26
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    Tizzy Tormentor
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    Personally, I think they should never have added personal housing at all and kept it FC only, by making it possible for players to own a plot, they created a never ending treadmill of needing to add and maintain more wards constantly.

    The problem is that there are way more players than there will ever be houses, especially on larger servers, not to mention the fact that a personal house effectively ties you to the game, when considering unsubbing, you have to consider whether or not you want to lose your house, which is unfortunately necessary, given the limited availability of plots, but I feel that personal housing only exacerbated problems, I also feel it turned wards into literal ghost towns, back in ARR, I remember seeing lots of players around housing areas and new FCs would move in and bring more, after personal housing, all the houses were snagged up instantly and less and less people started hanging around, this will obviously vary, but this is what I have observed.

    I liked the FC rooms and apartments, I would have liked to have seen those be upgradable or something, make em bigger, maybe even a balcony to use outdoor items, leave the wards for FCs, but alas, that's not possible at this point.
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  7. 04-25-2020 08:30 PM
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    Other people already pointed out why Covid is bad

  8. #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldevern View Post
    There are both FC and individuals and when you see one FC with TWO FULL WARDS, the problem exists more than you want to believe it.
    The system is not that bad to get rid of it, it just needs few tweaks and give houses to those who care enough to maintain their house.
    I think implementing a monthly tax for a house should do the trick, so people who dont care enough will just lose/sell it away.
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  9. #28
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    What the people don't see with the current system, not only it is limited in number and create competiton between FCs and individuals but it is far too limited as QoL and for creativity.

    It is some kind of so banal housing area of a town.

    What if you wish to have some kind of eagle's nest? What if you want something more free, more lost in wild nature? There's nothing.

    The place for imagination is mostly inexistant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    The system is not that bad to get rid of it, it just needs few tweaks and give houses to those who care enough to maintain their house.
    I think implementing a monthly tax for a house should do the trick, so people who dont care enough will just lose/sell it away.
    Please read me properly, we don't ask, AGAIN, to get ride on the system. They could, AGAIN, just, at least, upgrade apartments. Currently, there are people who monopolize wards for some kind of show off effect that only ends to be a waste or server ressources since they don't even use the houses. Adding wards doesn't solve the problem from that point of vue. Upgrading apartements would allow to avoid the fake "show off effect" and would upgrade apartements only people who really want something bigger for their collections.
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    Last edited by Eldevern; 04-25-2020 at 09:00 PM.
    Altoholic
    La normalité n'est que la moyenne de nos folies individuelles.
    Normality is just an average. I'm the weird, you're the bizarre.

  10. 04-25-2020 08:44 PM

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    FC housing and Player housing should be separate. FC housing should be all the houses in the wards. Player housing should be instanced.
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    Nazmul Souless
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khalithar View Post
    The devs put themselves in a corner by wanting neighborhoods instead of proper instanced housing.
    I disagree on that one, instanced housing get boring really fast as it feel pointless. Well it feels like playing the sims all alone in your house. Your action are meaningless since nobody will be impacted.
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