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    Player
    Crushnight's Avatar
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    Jets Down
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    This is the very first instance in the game that give people the "Duty Action" bar.
    Newcomers will either not notice it, forget about it when it comes time to use it, or mistime the use of it because they have no explanation ingame other than it's an extra action to perform.
    Not only is it an extra action like many future fights have, but you have to manually charge it up, which isn't the case in many other fights.

    So give people a break, it's a new curve ball SE has given us, and in the long run it's made fights a lot more interesting. So while people should have a basic idea of how their job works by that level they may be excused for having no idea how the Duty Action performs.
    If you see it's someones first time all you gotta do is give them then unwanted tip of "Pretty your duty action when she goes to the middle so you don't fall off. Grab a light orb to charge it back up." or something like that and you're done. Those who grasp it will get it, those who are slower will learn the hard way.
    This is why if I load in I type out immediately in party chat "Pop Vril (action button) R3 for controller" ready to try and help anyone who is new but also for people who may have forgotten the fight, I honestly cannot expect someone to remember every single fight this game offers there are hundreds, as others have pointed out as wellit is also the 1st instance of said button (they probably should've had a solo instance use it 1st but hey ho it is what it is).
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    Camiie's Avatar
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    Camille Blythe
    World
    Ultros
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 80
    The reward for doing roulettes is due to the risks of getting random content and doing it with random people. Sounds like it might not be worth it for you, Mr. OP.
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    Ether Rose
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    Diabolos
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    Monk Lv 100
    OP's frustration is justified through and through. You have people that even if you told them what to do, they don't do it. The problem i see here is OP says they have multiple 80's meaning some most likely bought the Lv.70 manuals as well as the story manuals and skipped Lakshmi and now they are running it in the trial roulette so they are clueless. However personally i think for any content, especially older content, people need to watch video guides. I don't care if you want to experience the run "Blind". You will be wasting peoples time and patience by dying to the same mechanic/AoE's because instead of watching a simple video guide that explains the fight for you - you want to play dumb. And it's funny how these type of people get all so defensive and irritated when you ask them if they can watch a video guide because they keep dying and don't know the fight.
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    Gula's Avatar
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    Krystal Abyss
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    Mateus
    Main Class
    Pugilist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by EtherRose View Post
    OP's frustration is justified through and through. You have people that even if you told them what to do, they don't do it. The problem i see here is OP says they have multiple 80's meaning some most likely bought the Lv.70 manuals as well as the story manuals and skipped Lakshmi and now they are running it in the trial roulette so they are clueless. However personally i think for any content, especially older content, people need to watch video guides. I don't care if you want to experience the run "Blind". You will be wasting peoples time and patience by dying to the same mechanic/AoE's because instead of watching a simple video guide that explains the fight for you - you want to play dumb. And it's funny how these type of people get all so defensive and irritated when you ask them if they can watch a video guide because they keep dying and don't know the fight.
    Video guides are cancer and will you actually wait for someone to stop the roulette for those 7 minutes to watch said guide? It's roulette for a reason. This is not a Snes game, this is not a puzzle boss. It's content meant to be cleared by the lowest common denominator and if the group is killing you that much, leaving is totally an option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iVolke View Post
    This is probably the easiest forum to bait.

    y'all are kinda dumb tbh

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    Frizze Steeleblaze
    World
    Lamia
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 100
    You think everyone should watch guides for 3+ year old story-difficulty content? I understand being frustrated with a bad group. I would even say that anyone who buys a booster should have to complete an appropriately challenging solo instance before they were allowed into any group content. But watching a guide for a 3 year old fight with one mechanic? Thats pointless. Hell, Lakshmi isnt even the stormblood trial people dont want to see. Susano was the one that i hated getting(the level sync is lower so some classes are missing important moves, and i saw way too many groups fail to keep up in the later stages of the fight as he speeds up), and Tsuku was the hard one(fans shouldnt be that hard to dodge, and the moon thing catches a ton of people off guard).
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    Fynlar Eira
    World
    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 100
    Hell, Lakshmi isnt even the stormblood trial people dont want to see. Susano was the one that i hated getting(the level sync is lower so some classes are missing important moves, and i saw way too many groups fail to keep up in the later stages of the fight as he speeds up),
    I actually see groups have way more trouble with Susano's first phase than the second. In the first phase, his tank buster doesn't have a charge bar, and it still hits pretty damn hard. I forget what his phase 1 tank buster is called, but I've seen loads of tanks just get straight up knackered by it, way more often than his phase 2 one.
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    Frizze Steeleblaze
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    Lamia
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    I actually see groups have way more trouble with Susano's first phase than the second. In the first phase, his tank buster doesn't have a charge bar, and it still hits pretty damn hard. I forget what his phase 1 tank buster is called, but I've seen loads of tanks just get straight up knackered by it, way more often than his phase 2 one.
    You arent wrong. Im just remembering every time i got that trial in roulette. Maybe 40% of the time everything was fine. The runs with issues in the first phase(for me) were less common, but usually solved on the second pull(whether it was a tank or a healer who made the change). The second phase i saw a lot of shaky healers slowly lose it and what seemed like a sure clear not quite get to the finish line... or shaky dps going too slowly so an ok healer eventually lost it(a single competent BLM can only cover for so much). A first phase wipe would be 2-4 minutes, and usually have an obvious sign of what needs to improve. A second phase wipe is usually closer to 6-10 minutes, and the solution is often "just do better this time". I can explain a botched mechanic, but by the time we've done an 8 minute wipe youve seen him use it 5 times already. You probly get what you need to do, the issue is doing it consistently for 10 minutes. But that was my experience.
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    Rasikko's Avatar
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    Rasikko Rakitto
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    Lamia
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 64
    It's Assail, and at some point in that phase, he uses it like a sucker punch move when other stuff is going on.
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    TaleraRistain's Avatar
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    Thalia Beckford
    World
    Jenova
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Holy shit, you mean we don't play in groups with robots?? Who knew!

    DF cover charge is that you can't outline the specific skill and experience levels you want in your groups. You're going to get random people and random people sometimes derp. If that's not acceptable, stay with pre-mades.
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  10. #10
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    Commander_Justitia's Avatar
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    Ash Primordial
    World
    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 90
    The fight HP could be adjusted. It is extremly high for that level, already was during stormblood and still is. If you get a few deaths you could still stay like 15min in the fight.
    Maybe it was tweaked for a certain ilvl, but it has no ilvl requirement so everyone and their mothers can join.
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