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  1. #11
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    Deceptus's Avatar
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    In their defense I think that's the first Trial that actively uses the Duty Action Button for Vrill.

    Should be easy to pick up, but some people (especially PS4) don't even know how to access it.

    But yeah, what I tell groups is essentially "If you see an orb on the ground, push your blue button to use your resource and pick up another one."
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  2. #12
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    Morningstar1337's Avatar
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    Aurora Aura
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    Exodus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    A mandatory tutorial guildhest that explains duty actions would be useful, I reckon.
    It seems more likely to be part of the Hall of the Novice (which is basically the same purpose as Guildhests)
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  3. #13
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    Dusk Himmel
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    Ravana
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    Viper Lv 100
    Just tell them what to do
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    Gemina Lunarian
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    Siren
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    Quote Originally Posted by FirstnameLastname View Post
    I am sick and tired of getting Lakshmi NM every second day for Trials roulette with 7 people that have absolutely no idea what to do in any given situation despite having multiple level 80s.

    Just learn the damn fight already, folks.

    Thanks for coming to my TED talk, I will be signing my latest book in the foyer for the next 45 minutes so do not miss out.
    There is a Duty Finder thread my friend. Understandable to get frustrated getting the same instance several times along with incompetent peeps. Same thing has recently happened to me getting Castrum Fluminis twice in a row, twice. So basically four times out of the last six. Only one of those went smoothly. one run in particular was hilarious where her fans went off, and after they were gone, myself and the main tank were the only ones left. Brought back fond Titan HM memories back in the day ;p
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    Alijana Tumet
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    Cactuar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duskane View Post
    Just tell them what to do
    From running mentor roulettes as of late, I've gathered that while telling people to do something is easy, them actually listening or doing it properly is another thing entirely, regardless of how simple it is on paper.
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    Last edited by KageTokage; 04-22-2020 at 01:15 PM.

  6. #16
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    Mateus
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    Pugilist Lv 60
    I learned how to do it, then took a break for FF7. Oops now I don't remember XIV. Expecting peak perfection is not the way to treat others who haven't seen the content since Raubahn's Wall.

    A simple reminder after people mess up (as in let them make a mistake to learn that fire is hot) will not kill you. Or- and this is a big or, you can party with friends or use PF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iVolke View Post
    This is probably the easiest forum to bait.

    y'all are kinda dumb tbh

  7. #17
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    Jets Down
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    This is the very first instance in the game that give people the "Duty Action" bar.
    Newcomers will either not notice it, forget about it when it comes time to use it, or mistime the use of it because they have no explanation ingame other than it's an extra action to perform.
    Not only is it an extra action like many future fights have, but you have to manually charge it up, which isn't the case in many other fights.

    So give people a break, it's a new curve ball SE has given us, and in the long run it's made fights a lot more interesting. So while people should have a basic idea of how their job works by that level they may be excused for having no idea how the Duty Action performs.
    If you see it's someones first time all you gotta do is give them then unwanted tip of "Pretty your duty action when she goes to the middle so you don't fall off. Grab a light orb to charge it back up." or something like that and you're done. Those who grasp it will get it, those who are slower will learn the hard way.
    This is why if I load in I type out immediately in party chat "Pop Vril (action button) R3 for controller" ready to try and help anyone who is new but also for people who may have forgotten the fight, I honestly cannot expect someone to remember every single fight this game offers there are hundreds, as others have pointed out as wellit is also the 1st instance of said button (they probably should've had a solo instance use it 1st but hey ho it is what it is).
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  8. #18
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    Camille Blythe
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    Ultros
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    Samurai Lv 80
    The reward for doing roulettes is due to the risks of getting random content and doing it with random people. Sounds like it might not be worth it for you, Mr. OP.
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  9. #19
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    RokkuEkkusu's Avatar
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    Mikeru Takeuchi
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    Excalibur
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    This is the very first instance in the game that give people the "Duty Action" bar.
    Newcomers will either not notice it, forget about it when it comes time to use it, or mistime the use of it because they have no explanation ingame other than it's an extra action to perform.
    Not only is it an extra action like many future fights have, but you have to manually charge it up, which isn't the case in many other fights.

    So give people a break, it's a new curve ball SE has given us, and in the long run it's made fights a lot more interesting. So while people should have a basic idea of how their job works by that level they may be excused for having no idea how the Duty Action performs.
    If you see it's someones first time all you gotta do is give them then unwanted tip of "Pretty your duty action when she goes to the middle so you don't fall off. Grab a light orb to charge it back up." or something like that and you're done. Those who grasp it will get it, those who are slower will learn the hard way.
    While it is the first Duty Finder instance to use the "Duty Action" bar, it is not the first instance to use it. The solo duty at Kugane to dodge the Sekiseigumi Samurai and get to the Ruby Bazaar is the first one to do so. The Duty Action of that solo duty allows you to be invisible (can be used up to 10 times) and avoid aggro from the Samurai [if you hit them, the duty fails. They can still hit you if they find you.]
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    My Current Characters:
    Mikeru Takeuchi: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/14812205/
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    Rokku Sigma: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/5714962/

    "Break a warrior's body, and he will thirst for vengeance. Break his spirit, and he will clamor for peace. Judge my methods distasteful if you will - but know that I seek to end this conflict, not prolong it." - Yadovv Gah, Final Fantasy XIV A Realm Reborn

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    Ether Rose
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    Diabolos
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    Monk Lv 100
    OP's frustration is justified through and through. You have people that even if you told them what to do, they don't do it. The problem i see here is OP says they have multiple 80's meaning some most likely bought the Lv.70 manuals as well as the story manuals and skipped Lakshmi and now they are running it in the trial roulette so they are clueless. However personally i think for any content, especially older content, people need to watch video guides. I don't care if you want to experience the run "Blind". You will be wasting peoples time and patience by dying to the same mechanic/AoE's because instead of watching a simple video guide that explains the fight for you - you want to play dumb. And it's funny how these type of people get all so defensive and irritated when you ask them if they can watch a video guide because they keep dying and don't know the fight.
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