Suggestion: Make who positioned waymarkers visible in the chat

[abel3189]

As the title says, I think it would be good to avoid people causing grievances with the waymarkers to make it visible in the chat who put them in place.

Why do I suggest this? Well, let me explain what happened yesterday:

I queued for the Alliance Raid Roulette with some friends and to no surprise, LotA popped. My friends and I were in the party A. There were quite a few new players to the fight, but things were going normal until we reached the Atomos.

Someone had a preset for the Waymarkers placing the markers in the reverse order: C on the left/upper path, B on the center, and A on the right/bottom path. I tried correcting the position of the markers, as my party (A) was already on the spot with the C marker, but the player that had the preset kept placing them wrongly, resulting in someone from party B pulling when there was no one in the right/bottom side, thus causing the first wipe.

We move forward and then we reach the Allagan Bomb and the Vassagos, and... the player that had the preset for the Atomos had another for the Vassagos, misplacing the markers too, and no matter how many times we tried removing them, he kept replacing them with the preset. Luckily, we ignored them and did the fight as normal.

But then we reach the last boss, Phlegethon, and the player with the presets had another one for that fight, misplacing the markers A and C again. Another wipe happened here because people from the party C came to the platform that's usually for A, thus not having enough people in their platform and making it impossible for the barrier to appear.

So the duty ended with two wipes, and my friends and I reported the situation through the in-game support, hoping that the GMs could investigate the issue and maybe warn the player for misbehaviour (I wouldn't have reported it if it was just one time, but he/she kept doing it for every fight, and I don't like getting wipes in easy content just because someone's idea of what's "fun" is to screw with 23 other players).

We couldn't know who was misplacing the markers because there is no way to see who placed the markers, so the report was sent with "Unidentified" in the "Character Name and World" part of the report template.

To my surprise, I was answered by the GM that they couldn't do anything if the report didn't include the name of the player, and it didn't matter how much I tried to explain to him/her that we couldn't know who it was, and so, the reports were closed without any investigation.

When my friends and I received that answer we were at a loss, thinking that someone that literally was disrupting the game for 23 other players was going to get away with it, without any kind of warning for misbehaviour.

[technole]

You care too much about a marker, versus party relativity. If "A" wants to be west where "C" is, then so be it.

Wasn't even worth reporting because they likely weren't even griefing at-all. When you save a preset it has the duty name, so likely they only had one for LotA. The system is lousy where you can't really have several for one instance without using up all your presets.

[Ergast]

You care too much about a marker, versus party relativity. If "A" wants to be west where "C" is, then so be it.

Wasn't even worth reporting because they likely weren't even griefing at-all. When you save a preset it has the duty name, so likely they only had one for LotA. The system is lousy where you can't really have several for one instance without using up all your presets.

It was griefing. We told them to stop, we tried to change it and they keep changing it back, and it caused two wipes. They kept using the preset in every fight after Atomos, and spamming it until each fight started. It that isn't griefing, then please tell me what it is.

I add my suport to this suggestion. I'm not a fan of reporting, but I also dislike being used when someone's idea of fun is to disrupt 23 other players, myself included, after being told to please stop.

[abel3189]

You care too much about a marker, versus party relativity. If "A" wants to be west where "C" is, then so be it.

Wasn't even worth reporting because they likely weren't even griefing at-all. When you save a preset it has the duty name, so likely they only had one for LotA. The system is lousy where you can't really have several for one instance without using up all your presets.

I already said in my post that they kept placing them whenever any other player tried to place them correctly:

the player that had the preset kept placing them wrongly

Maybe I didn't explain properly, but if you place a marker wrong, and I remove it to place it correctly, but you keep spamming the preset to keep it in the wrong place, and the player kept doing so while getting told by people from both parties (party A and party C) affected to stop... Then sorry, but I DO think that's misbehaviour. And we do suspect it was someone from party B, as they were the ones that pulled the Atomos causing the first wipe, they pulled the Allagan Bomb before everyone arrived, and they pulled Phlegethon and kept the boss in the place he appears, making it harder to run back to platforms...

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

[Unease_Lemming]

But... if you had just adhered to the markers placed by this person rather than spending all your time and energy fighting them over it, you would have been just fine?

I get that there is a "standard" for most markers, but really, just go with it, if they ARE trolling you're just playing into their hand with this.

[SturmChurro]

You care too much about a marker, versus party relativity. If "A" wants to be west where "C" is, then so be it.

Wasn't even worth reporting because they likely weren't even griefing at-all. When you save a preset it has the duty name, so likely they only had one for LotA. The system is lousy where you can't really have several for one instance without using up all your presets.

Agreed. Sure most people position markers in a specific way, but this is definitely not something that should be an actionable offense. You can't prove someone who puts B where you think A should be is necessarily griefing - even if they are. It makes players open to report abuse, and ironically harassment if you could see the name of the player that is positioning markers.

[Floortank]

Agreed. Sure most people position markers in a specific way, but this is definitely not something that should be an actionable offense. You can't prove someone who puts B where you think A should be is necessarily griefing - even if they are. It makes players open to report abuse, and ironically harassment if you could see the name of the player that is positioning markers.

GMs are actually not dumb. They can tell if someone is harassing / griefing. Being specifically asked not to do something and doing it repeatedly automatically makes the person suspect of harassment, regardless of what it is they're actually doing.

I promise you GMs can also tell who was moving the markers.

[SturmChurro]

GMs are actually not dumb. They can tell if someone is harassing / griefing. Being specifically asked not to do something and doing it repeatedly automatically makes the person suspect of harassment, regardless of what it is they're actually doing.

I promise you GMs can also tell who was moving the markers.

The point of what I was saying when referring to harassment is when player 1 sees player 2 move markers in an order they do not like. Then specifically target harasses that player, not to mention kicking. Obviously, SE could tell who is moving markers. I was speaking in general.

For that matter, how can you or a GM actually determine moving markers is actually griefing. One player likes the markers in one way, another an other way. Who is wrong?

[althenawhm]

One player likes the markers in one way, another an other way. Who is wrong?

The person who puts the markers in B C A order is obviously wrong. I think we all know how letters work.

[Reinha]

One player likes the markers in one way, another an other way. Who is wrong?

It wasn't one vs one, it was one person vs two parties.

The name should be made visible so that people who place markers can be kicked.