Suggestion: Make who positioned waymarkers visible in the chat

[Bsrking5]

I'm going to pipe up and say that this current system is very abusable. It doesn't even need to be like ozma or thunder cid to cause unnecessary problems and potentially cause those bosses to not be cleared.

[SturmChurro]

You care too much about a marker, versus party relativity. If "A" wants to be west where "C" is, then so be it.

Wasn't even worth reporting because they likely weren't even griefing at-all. When you save a preset it has the duty name, so likely they only had one for LotA. The system is lousy where you can't really have several for one instance without using up all your presets.

Agreed. Sure most people position markers in a specific way, but this is definitely not something that should be an actionable offense. You can't prove someone who puts B where you think A should be is necessarily griefing - even if they are. It makes players open to report abuse, and ironically harassment if you could see the name of the player that is positioning markers.

[Floortank]

Agreed. Sure most people position markers in a specific way, but this is definitely not something that should be an actionable offense. You can't prove someone who puts B where you think A should be is necessarily griefing - even if they are. It makes players open to report abuse, and ironically harassment if you could see the name of the player that is positioning markers.

GMs are actually not dumb. They can tell if someone is harassing / griefing. Being specifically asked not to do something and doing it repeatedly automatically makes the person suspect of harassment, regardless of what it is they're actually doing.

I promise you GMs can also tell who was moving the markers.

[SturmChurro]

GMs are actually not dumb. They can tell if someone is harassing / griefing. Being specifically asked not to do something and doing it repeatedly automatically makes the person suspect of harassment, regardless of what it is they're actually doing.

I promise you GMs can also tell who was moving the markers.

The point of what I was saying when referring to harassment is when player 1 sees player 2 move markers in an order they do not like. Then specifically target harasses that player, not to mention kicking. Obviously, SE could tell who is moving markers. I was speaking in general.

For that matter, how can you or a GM actually determine moving markers is actually griefing. One player likes the markers in one way, another an other way. Who is wrong?

[althenawhm]

One player likes the markers in one way, another an other way. Who is wrong?

The person who puts the markers in B C A order is obviously wrong. I think we all know how letters work.

[Seddrinth]

Who decides what is "correct" marker position in alliance raid? Isn't it all just personal preference and there really is not correct way to mark anything? For LoTA it doesn't really matter on any of the bosses if you mark it ABC or BCA or CAB, etc?

[Reinha]

One player likes the markers in one way, another an other way. Who is wrong?

It wasn't one vs one, it was one person vs two parties.

The name should be made visible so that people who place markers can be kicked.

[Avidria]

Who decides what is "correct" marker position in alliance raid? Isn't it all just personal preference and there really is not correct way to mark anything? For LoTA it doesn't really matter on any of the bosses if you mark it ABC or BCA or CAB, etc?

In my experience, if markers go down it's just about always ABC order, with the occasional screwup on like, the three demon guys before Behemoth. People who run the roulette regularly seem to mostly just expect that now, and if anybody puts markers that are different... well, the one time that comes to mind for me is the time someone did that on those demon guys. Half the raid ignored the markers and went ABC, half went to the new markers, I tried to fix the markers but it was too late, and the mobs got tanked together in the wrong place aaaand we wiped.

Basically, and this is probably pretty cynical, I don't trust DF randoms to be able to adjust to something other than the normal marker order. I think it's actually pretty cool and reasonable that there's sort of a standard marker so your folks who are new or just plain not paying attention don't end up doing totally opposite things and getting everyone killed. Those raids are such a boring snoozefest half the people there are probably half asleep anyway. :/

[Barraind]

But... if you had just adhered to the markers placed by this person rather than spending all your time and energy fighting them over it, you would have been just fine?

Nono, they're griefing me by placing a waymarker preset first, then not changing it back after I try and change their already established waymarkers, in content where it doesnt matter where waymarkers are set anyway as long as people know where theyre going relative to other people at a time where we were already ready to go and I kept trying to change things to change things.

I'm clearly not at fault for being the one that wont let things go, not people who already did the thing I think I can do better, gosh.

[RyuSaarva]

Sadly a case where a handful of players kinda ruined it for everyone else. I've had several Orbonne's this month where I had to sprint to get ahead of the zerg just to place the markers because several people in the alliance were too impatient to let people place them normally - let alone let people give even some minor tips to prevent wipes.

It' becauuse there are people like me who do not wanna stare some shining christamas tree for the entire fight.