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    Quote Originally Posted by Crushnight View Post
    I'm all for Mercydia expansions and I want to make that distinction. Mercydia is apparantly as big as Othard+Illsbard+Aldenard combined I think it would be huge disservice to reduce it to 1 expansion only, heck you could turn Mercydia into season 2 of the story.

    I have a feeling Yoshi is actually refencing Sharlayan and its Exodus. Just my hunch. Sharlayan could also have kept hidden knowledge about the ancients structures and their history. Demi-Ozma is experiment to sharlayans, so clearly something shady is going on behind their closed doors.

    With Garlemald/Sharlayan/Thavnir as the major places we haven't gone to that we know about, yes the rest of Hingashi has yet to explored but they seem more stubborn than Ishgard about letting outsiders in.

    HW dealt with Ishgard, Dravanian, Sharlayan, Mercydia, Ala Mhigo and Ul'Dah.

    4 of those have been explored in sufficient depth to not been explored again (though i wish Ala Mhigo got more, it did still have half an expansion's focus).

    It really just leaves us with 2 options and I just find it is too soon for Mercydia.
    I would also be happy going to Sharlayan. Maybe they'll finally elaborate on that damn Sharlayan Ark just chillin in Stormblood. With Sharlayan being smaller maybe they will finally give us the rest of Othard and then Thavnair.

    I guess it would end up being Sharlayan Seer vs Meracydian Witch Doctor with class speculations.
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    I mean, the jobs aren't really tied to the countries we visit necessarily. Not like Dancer or Gunbreaker is tied to Norvrandt after all. They just... kind of exist. Red Mage was also kind of a weak attempt at Ala Mhigo honestly, and Astro was a Sharlayan thing. I would be very happy with more Sharlayan stuff though. Especially jobs and lore. As this is wrapping up the first story arc and the main heroes originate from there (or at least spent noticeable time there) it would be a good place to visit. Wrapping up the big bad, the main heroes origins, so on and so forth.

    Also what Ark?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MirronTulaxia View Post
    I mean, the jobs aren't really tied to the countries we visit necessarily. Not like Dancer or Gunbreaker is tied to Norvrandt after all. They just... kind of exist. Red Mage was also kind of a weak attempt at Ala Mhigo honestly, and Astro was a Sharlayan thing. I would be very happy with more Sharlayan stuff though. Especially jobs and lore. As this is wrapping up the first story arc and the main heroes originate from there (or at least spent noticeable time there) it would be a good place to visit. Wrapping up the big bad, the main heroes origins, so on and so forth.

    Also what Ark?
    Yeah homie I don't care. It's just fun, I put 0 thought or thesis statement into those. But Samurai came with Othard, Red Mage Mhigo, Dark Knight came with Ishgard. So it's not like classes not being "tied to countries" argument has 100% merit there. Not to mention Gunbreaker tied to the race that we got with the expansion of came with.

    Anyway the giant Ark outside Ala Ghiri that the original Sharlayans traveled on during the flood calamity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BasicBlake View Post
    Yeah homie I don't care. It's just fun, I put 0 thought or thesis statement into those. But Samurai came with Othard, Red Mage Mhigo, Dark Knight came with Ishgard. So it's not like classes not being "tied to countries" argument has 100% merit there. Not to mention Gunbreaker tied to the race that we got with the expansion of came with.

    Anyway the giant Ark outside Ala Ghiri that the original Sharlayans traveled on during the flood calamity.
    Huh, makes me wonder how widespread that was. It's hard to tell if the calamities are Eorzea centered (or even exclusive) or not at times, but the Water one was pretty close.

    And I'm not saying anything against fun? I just don't think that where we visit is a huge deal to the jobs we get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BasicBlake View Post
    I would also be happy going to Sharlayan. Maybe they'll finally elaborate on that damn Sharlayan Ark just chillin in Stormblood. With Sharlayan being smaller maybe they will finally give us the rest of Othard and then Thavnair.

    I guess it would end up being Sharlayan Seer vs Meracydian Witch Doctor with class speculations.
    Meracydian Witch Doctor could be interesting, especially given the sheer amount of leeway the devs would have with creating an entirely original healer job. Could be part the Chemist people have asked for (though I fully expect they will continue to, given the "not close enough!" response to Astrologian as a "near fit" for or "inspired by" Time Mage), could be part something entirely unique like the dark magic/sacrificial healer I and others have been hoping to see. Some tribal vibes would serve as a good aesthetic contrast to the healers we have.

    I think we'll probably avoid a healer with Sharlayan, considering we have AST, much like we already had MNK going into Ala Mhigo.
    Though I could see something like a Spellblade job for Sharlayan, perhaps as a substitute military given their penchant for churning out mages? Granting that Spellblade is a job I could see for virtually anywhere, but the WoL is running out of Disciples of War to hop onto without losing his dignity or borrowing another Scion's outfit (and I expect PLD is being saved for something more climactic to the Ascian narrative), so it wouldn't be a terrible shock to see them add a new one (regardless of how little we need one) just for something to show off in trailers.
    That or given how often Sharlayan pops into the story with as little as "they had a boat", could be a Pirate.

    On the other hand they could pull an Astrologian or Dancer again and give us a job with lore from an unrelated region, like say, oh... Hingashi/Othard?

    Quote Originally Posted by MirronTulaxia View Post
    I mean, the jobs aren't really tied to the countries we visit necessarily. Not like Dancer or Gunbreaker is tied to Norvrandt after all. They just... kind of exist. Red Mage was also kind of a weak attempt at Ala Mhigo honestly, and Astro was a Sharlayan thing.
    Half and half. The devs want to tie the jobs they introduce to the new content in order to show them off, sell their importance, and make them feel ingrained in the expansion, perhaps while explaining why we couldn't reach them before. Dancer wasn't native to Norvrandt, but one of the first people we met on Norvrandt was a Viera Dancer and she maintains some importance throughout.
    I agree that RDM was introduced with a flimsy connection to Ala Mhigo, very "tell, don't show", but they made it work with the lore ("the survivors of the Flood fled to the mountains, white mages and black mages had to rebuild so they worked together to make red magic" actually sounds like a plausible backstory, even if it wasn't heavily featured or aesthetically tied to the region) which makes a solid example for how flexible the devs can be with regards to adding new jobs. They also got the chance to show it off in-story through Alisaie, in spite of the lack of immersion the job had to where we were.

    That being said, they usually seem to make one job that is thematic to where we're going. GNB isn't tied to Norvrandt but it is intrinsically tied to the Bozja narrative and the culmination of the Garlemald storyline back on the Source, much like SAM was with Hingashi/Othard, and how DRK made a perfect contrast to the cathedrals of Ishgard.
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    I don't know why but I have a strange feeling the speech from Exarch about "forget the faces and voices of those you have met along the way" maybe more than just about him but also about the price the WoL may have to pay in the Finale of Season 1 storyline in 6.0 or 6.3.

    Like a early foreshadowing during a point we will not think much of it being focused on current events but only at the end we will truely know the meaning of these words.

    Still, it will certainly be a full circle if the price of saving everything from Zodiark for good is to become forgotten by everyone to a point that they can only remember a being of light once more but this time they will never regain their memories of what the WoL looks like thus why the stories preserved for future generations may always use Default Derplander to describe the Warrior of Light in their stories.

    Of coruse this will also bring up the question how a Season 2 storyline may transition from this type of ending.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinLi View Post
    I don't know why but I have a strange feeling the speech from Exarch about "forget the faces and voices of those you have met along the way"
    Big NieR spoilers.

    Ya know, it's been a joke to have the players information or a data center wiped in true NieR fashion. But what if this is it? What if Yoshida pulls a big Yoko Taro and has us choose to forget someone or be forgotten? What if the Exarch is pulling a Gestalt/Replicant and wiping his save file? His back up USB is him still sleeping in Crystal Tower, the old exploit after you saw the ending. C'mon, I really want it.
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    This is probably the easiest forum to bait.

    y'all are kinda dumb tbh

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    As much as I hate to admit it, I've had a sneaking suspicion that one of the Scions isn't coming back from the First.
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    Anyone else find the different translations for the trailer in other languages? I managed to find the French version.

    G'raha: "I would like... that you keep the for me, in a corner of your memory."
    Alisaie: "What is this illusion?"
    Ryne: "Not quite... Look!"
    G'raha: "If one day... yo forget all their voices... and all these faces in your tale..."
    Elidibus: "I appreciate your propulsion to treat alone. I only wish to speak to you without being disturbed."
    Y'shtola: "Do you really think you're the same person you once were?"
    G'raha: "it's my turn to do my own little thing, if you want it."
    G'raha: "You'll never be alone."
    G'raha: "All these moments of joy... and of sorrow..."
    Elidibus?: "En guarde, forces of darkness!"
    G'raha at the end with the crystal: "And all these hopes... will be with you. We'll speak again, you and I. Once I've finished my duty as the Crystal Exarch."

    I'm scared and thrilled at the same time! Anyone have any other translations? I'm dying to know what else is being said!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaireFaye View Post
    Anyone else find the different translations for the trailer in other languages? [...] I'm scared and thrilled at the same time! Anyone have any other translations? I'm dying to know what else is being said!
    Ask and you shall receive! Translation of the german Trailer.

    Exarch: "Almost endless is the path on which you tread with firm steps."
    Alisaie: "Another Starshower!"
    Ryne: "There is more..."
    Exarch: "Maybe, over time, some meetings and some experiences... will be forgotten."
    Elidibus 1*: "How convenient that you come alone. I wanted to exchange some words with you in private."
    Y'shtola: "Do you remember who you are and what your true purpose is at all?"
    Exarch: "You surely understand if one goes beyond the limits of their strength."
    Exarch: "The experienced happiness... the spilled tears... the prayers [???]** ... they are driving you forward."
    Elidibus 2*: "This is your end, Warrior of Darkness!"
    Exarch: "And you know - you are not alone."
    Exarch: "By the way, there is another thing I want to ask of you. Once this is all over." (At the end, with a different kinda tone than his other lines.)

    * Note: I put Elidibus 1 and 2 because I am very convinced those are two different voices and speakers, but I can't tell who is who.

    ** I can't for the live of me understand what they say in german there. Sometimes I think it's two words, then just one...



    Original German under the cut, in case anyone wants to have a look over the translation.
    Exarch: "Schier endlos ist der Pfad, dem du festen Schrittes folgst."
    Alisaie: "Ein weiterer Sternenregen!"
    Ryne: "Da ist noch mehr..."
    Exarch: "Vielleicht wird mit der Zeit manche Begegnung und manches Erlebnis... in Vergessenheit geraten."
    Elidibus 1*: "Wie gut, dass du alleine kommst. Ich wollte ungestört ein paar Worte mit dir wechseln."
    Y'shtola: "Weißt du überhaupt noch, wer du bist und was deine wahre Bestimmung ist?"
    Exarch: "Du hast doch bestimmt Verständnis dafür, wenn jemand an die Grenzen seiner Kräfte geht."
    Exarch: "Das erlebte Glück... die vergossenen Tränen... die Gebete [???] ... sie treiben dich an."
    Elidibus 2*: "Das ist dein Ende, Krieger der Dunkelheit!"
    Exarch: "Und du weißt - du bist nicht allein."
    Exarch: "Es gibt da übrigens noch etwas, um das ich dich bitten möchte. Sobald das hier alles vorbei ist."
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