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  1. #241
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
    After watching and pausing the trailer at spots of curiosity several times, to me the light phantoms that come down by Elidibert all have radically different gear, though a lot of it is recognizable but seems to be coordinated glamour... I kind of wonder and sort of want to say that the secret trial will be a mirror fight for everyone who enters. We know they have the ability to scan our characters and create clones on the battlefield as early as Achamoth in Lost City of Amdapor Hard Mode, so that would be phase 1. Then Phase 2 would be the real boss, maybe Elidibert siphons up their dying souls, where the souls are shining brightest similar to what Moenbryda did to ensure Nabriales's death, only this time it's to juice up Elidibert.
    Looking at the trailer again I am not really even sure if those are living WoLs. When the exarch summoned the WoLs they got there completely normal without any huge amount of Light. Maybe they are indeed just phantoms that he summons. Or they might be some of the new WoLs who got turned by too much Light (maybe their echo was fake at all and thus they stood no chance)
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  2. #242
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enkidoh View Post
    Or, it's just more smoke and mirrors just like his fake starshower. At least one of the 'WoLs' apparently shown in the trailer is just a glowing sillhouette, which someone else earlier mentioned looked much like the Manikins from the Dissidia games (which were just crystal drones of the main protagonists/antagonists with no actual intelligence or free-will - they were just crystal puppets basically).

    So I wonder if Elidibus has resorted to making literal fake WoLs to set against us, being incapable of getting the actual WoLs from the four remaining Shards not yet Rejoined like G'raha did. It would still suit his ends either way, to sow more chaos and strife in the First, make it look like the 'Light' fighting back in Norvrandt, that the player's character is powerless to stop it. Much chaos and destruction occurs on the First, Light aether starts surging back to the Source, setting the Eighth Calamity and the Ascians' plans, back on track. Or so he would hope.

    We'll find out in a few weeks either way.
    I guess considering that Emet Selch was able to make multiple very tangible monstrositys for us to fight against in Amaurot, Elidibus being able to do the same wouldn't be much of a stretch.

    The WoLs we see could very well just be simulacrums of ones he had encountered in the past and perhaps even attempted to stop him but failed. It is a little odd that the three who seem to serve as the bosses in the Hero's Gauntlet are decidedly more...normal-looking then the trash mobs and the ones who show up in the Crystal Tower; though perhaps it's because left more of a lasting impression on Elidibus and were thus easier to recreate.

    Only time will tell indeed.
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  3. #243
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    Apparently Yoshida suggests to get a refresher on HW, I wonder what they can pull from there...
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  4. #244
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    From the interview:
    Oh, and of course, you can totally take your time on this, but it might be a good idea to get a refresher on Heavensward.
    He wouldn't say you can take your time on it if it was relevant for the soon dropping Patch. I assume more like the direction for 5.4 onwards.

    Or maybe because of the supposed connection between Sapphire and Regula.
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    I'm taking Lore way too seriously. And I'm not sorry about that.

  5. #245
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    There's also Alex (relevant to the Exarch's means of getting to Novrant) and the Warring Triad (Unukhalai's connection to Elidibus)
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  6. #246
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    In other parts of the interview, he clearly states the content he sees as supportive for general Lore like Omega. So I suppose he really is talking about Heavensward MSQ there.
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    I'm taking Lore way too seriously. And I'm not sorry about that.

  7. #247
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    I haven't seen anyone mention this but there is cause to speculate that the only trusts available in the new dungeon will be Alphinaud, Alisaie, Ryne, and possibly the Exarch. In the trailer the younger trust members are the ones running the dungeon with you, and the player is the tank. Now, we know the trust system needs a tank, and while Thancred is an option, there are story reasons to have him, Urinager, and Y'shtola not available. Y'shtola is probably still conducting research, and both Thancred and Urianger were shown in 5.2 to be suffering from Aether sickness from being on The First for so long.

    Additionally, there are two scenes that support this. In the scene on the airship, with one of the supposed bosses from the new dungeon, only Alphinaud, Alisaie, and Ryne are shown, with the Exarch supposedly at the helm; since he states, later in the trailer, he's coming with you. The other scene is in Eulmore, where Thancred is attacked by a WoL manifestation. If you pause the scene right before he is attacked, you can see Him, Y'shtola, and Urianger looking at the star shower, the others no where in sight. We know from the trailer that during the course of the dungeon there is also a star shower. I doubt there would be multiple, so it stands to reason that these are the same shower.

    Here are pictures to show what I mean.
    http://imgur.com/gallery/a2Q6H75

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    Last edited by Eloah; 07-24-2020 at 02:55 AM.
    I like helping people with their Job ideas, it's fun to help them visuallize and create the job they'd like to play most. Plus I make my own too, I'll post them eventually.

  8. #248
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    Looking at that second picture, the end of 5.0 with its Elidibus on the Moon teaser came to mind. The idea that Hydaelyn and Her summoners intentionally obscured the history of the world, Elidibus revealing that Hydaelyn contacts (and possibly tempers) every single person who awakens to the Echo, and the apparent resurgence of Amaurot and a horde of Warriors of Light suddenly appearing to eliminate us, all seem connected to me.

    I can't help but think Elidibus is trying to show the Scions just how far She'll go to ensure Amaurot and its history stay buried. Or something like that. EDIT: Like, it's a win/win thing with him. If they just kill us, then we're out of his way forever. And if they don't kill us, then what I said.

    Not sure how well that'd hold up with the whole "And then Elidibus summons a bunch of people to fight us in Syrcus Tower" thing, though.
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    I am confused why the fake amaurot rises out of the sea, isn´t supposed to dissapear after a while or did elidibus let it rise up on purpose. Hmm ya he probably let it rise up to awaken the echo in the people of eulmore.
    Judging from how the star shower is all over norvrandt, it might confirm that elidibus could maybe be an extension of zodiark.
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    Well I just concocted a theory hat has nothing to go off of other than a line in the trailer.


    The Glowing Army Elidibus summons, those were....
    • the Warriors of Light from the rejoined shards, whose aether was merged with his (being the Heart of Zodiarc)
    • summoned using his Creation magics, but branded as a result and thus bound to his will
    • A gambit that heavily taxes his aether and is thus saved as a last resort. Also the reason Y'stola makes mention of a cacophony of voices, as overuse would either chnage Elidibus' personality or materializing this army comes at great risk of bring branded himself and thus being Zodiark.
    • Also would include the First's WoL as a timey-wimey technicality (as there is a Timeline where that shard was rejoined and intersects with this one via the Exarch and Tower)
    In other words, the army are comprises of Warriors of Light, fallen, yet reborn as thralls of Zodiark. And Elidibus had this power all along.



    Prolly a crackpot theory
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