Thread: Predictions for 5.3?

I’m not sure how you got the Ascians as creating all evil whole cloth. It always read more like taking advantage of existing evil and pushing things harder.

Originally Posted by MirronTulaxia

I’m not sure how you got the Ascians as creating all evil whole cloth. It always read more like taking advantage of existing evil and pushing things harder.

This is how I see it too, one of our lowest points as a character was the Banquet sequence, a series of events that has shown no Ascian involvement whatsoever. This is one of the best bits in the story because it shows normal beings can affect us very effectively, no macguffins, just pure planning out.

So should the Ascians get permanently erased from the story, there can still be plenty of stakes new villians can bring in while being potentially weaker from a power standpoint, just small hypothetical would our character give themselves up as a prisoner if one of the scion's life was threatened right in front of us sort of like a knife in their back waiting for the plunge moment etc, i'd say we would until such a time we could secure everyone or we just break under the torment and we just don't care about the consequences.

Originally Posted by Crushnight

This is how I see it too, one of our lowest points as a character was the Banquet sequence, a series of events that has shown no Ascian involvement whatsoever. This is one of the best bits in the story because it shows normal beings can affect us very effectively, no macguffins, just pure planning out.

So should the Ascians get permanently erased from the story, there can still be plenty of stakes new villians can bring in while being potentially weaker from a power standpoint, just small hypothetical would our character give themselves up as a prisoner if one of the scion's life was threatened right in front of us sort of like a knife in their back waiting for the plunge moment etc, i'd say we would until such a time we could secure everyone or we just break under the torment and we just don't care about the consequences.

I speak more about how things we see not related to Ascians tend to end up leading into being a influence of Asican in X or Y way eventually at some point in the story. I honestly can't really discuss how I see the progress of the story since one matter from the past can be easily changed in a future storyline through a different perspective.

The only way i can describe how I see the story is that everything evil tends to lead back to Ascians in certain ways such as a Evil plot was only a thought and would have only stay a thought if the Ascians never whispered words into that person or a origin of a great evil would have never existsed if only the Ascians never got involved. Yes they will still be evil but one that would have never done what they did if the Ascians never got involved in their life.

It will be like if a future story plot reveals that the Banquet event will have never happened if a Ascian, either make himself known or pretending to be a unknown person, never whispered to Teledji certain words.

Okay, but currently that isn't the case. And all the Ascians really do is give people the means to hoist themselves on their own petard. They give them tools, not motives. And it's the latter that causes the problem.

Originally Posted by MirronTulaxia

Okay, but currently that isn't the case. And all the Ascians really do is give people the means to hoist themselves on their own petard. They give them tools, not motives. And it's the latter that causes the problem.

I agree that often the Ascians are just there pulling the strings from the shadows and letting people being people (with a bit of a push in the direction they want to) but they are also quite active too. Lets not forget that the founder of Garlemald as we know it was Emet (and probably the one behind Allagans too). They did not just give the means but they outright were the leaders there. Of course the people also ate up their talk about might makes right and all that stuff but unlike other countries they were not just behind the scenes. And being the leader of a nation is a huge influcence. Heck the actions of Garlemald influence Eorzea too with beast tribes turning to their primals.

It will be interesting to see how the world turns out if they are gone. Yes there will still be bad acts happening because there are still selfish horrible people out there. But I wonder if any countries as a whole will turn out as bad and war mongering as Garlemald.

Originally Posted by EdwinLi

This is a topic that will get very complicated when getting deep into it because it is a "Who is more evil? The person who use it or the person who gave the person the means knowing they will use it?" both are evil but options will differ if this is discusses farther.

I dont even want to go in the direction of discussing who is more evil in that. My point was to show that Ascians are not just in the shadows but that they are actively influencing the world by being leaders of countries (and giving them the necessary knowledge to raise higher). And with such a huge influence they can shape the world even better.

In my post I was agreeing with you that without the Ascians we might have quite a different world because they were also active in it. So who knows how Garlemald would have turned out without them directly ruling it.

With that 5.3 image posted in the newest Letter from the Producer, I'ma speculate that the dwarf tribe storyline has something to do with building tanks.

That or YorHa: Dark Apocalypse is going on a zany story route.

The Dwarven tank is an FF4 reference to King Giott's tank regiment that fought against the Tower of Babil and the Giant of Babil

The new dungeon will be utter crap, as all dungeons are tied to our trusts (which I don’t mind) but severely limits them in the process to be glorified mindless fodder. The Anyder one was unsatisfactory but they tried with the last trash heave having summons and targets players to ram, and the intro being impressive but was very lacking in execution.