Thread: Predictions for 5.3?

Originally Posted by rainichan

Coming out of my lurk because I had a thought on this: what if Minfilia was Venat? Or her "shade" or whatever you want to call the form she chose despite being the heart of Hydaelyn?

"But raini," I can hear, "why would she have no knowledge of it?" Because Hydaelyn has been weakened. That weakness caused Ascilla's memories to be walled off of who she was, and iirc she had the Echo. Her line about how she felt like an Ascian makes me wonder if she knew that something was weird with her, something more than just being the Word of the Mother, a voice for Hydaelyn.

I actually believe this is the case. I made a post in another thread and was told it was a fairly common assumption at this point. Also, I am 110% behind Minfilia returning at some point. Thancred and Ascilia were my introduction into this game in 1.0. She made a promise to return as we always had. I never came back as jewelry.

Originally Posted by Riastrad

So hear me out.

We are the defector. We are the fourteenth. We are not Venat. Minfilia/Ryne is. Venat's supporters may just well be the Scions as they were during the time of the Ancients. (The Conversation between Venat and the "Diplomatic" Ancient one reminds me of the conversation between Minfilia and Thancred during the flash back when he took Ryne (then still Minfilia) to the location where the flood was halted.) Venat even places her hand on her chest when speaking. Much like how Minfilia and Ryne do often throughout the story. Yes, I know that last part sounds like a stretch, but stay with me.

During the cutscene after Anyder, Venat and her followers express regret that the Fourteenth left all attempts of communication unanswered. We (The Defector) are Hydaelyn's chosen champion because that is what Venat wanted the Fourteenth to be. As we could not be reached it fell to her to attempt the summoning of Hydaelyn and becoming the Heart. Venat mentions that after doing so that "I shall not vanish from this world. The form I take shall ever remain my choice."

As the Word of the Mother (Hydaelyn calls her a "beloved daughter"), Minfilia retained her image and after parting to the First took the form of flaxen haired, blue eyed girls to forestall the Flood of Light. It would explain why Hydaelyn seemed to have such a close connection to single out Minfilia and Ryne so often and make them Her Oracles of Light. Who better to see your vision to its purpose than yourself?



Select lyrics to "Return to Oblivion" courtesy of the Dev Blog.

Turn the light on
And let her in. Won't you
Turn the light on
Turn the light on
You'll never win 'less you
Turn the light on
Turn the light on
The pain won't end 'till you
Turn the light on
The soul longs for oblivion, oblivion

Falling too far for the fear to embrace me
A voice from the past screaming there is no end (no)
A slave to my fate, ever doomed to repeat this
again and again and again and again (yeah, I'm)

Falling too fast, but the fall will not break me
A voice from the past echoes loud like a drum (oh, yes)
no more goodbyes, I am tired of waiting
Now open my eyes, one last time, Here I come (yeah I come)

Now the bit about the other Ancients probably being the Scions may seem odd and is probably wrong. It is mentioned that before every calamity heroes (plural) rise up to warn and save the people. I think it fits.

Edit: A bit of extra theory-crafting.

Dark Knight 80 quest quote.

"Now comes your part
To cloak yourself in the fiction
To breathe life into the dead
To give a voice to the voiceless..."

Originally Posted by Riastrad

O hero of rebirth traversing,♪ Soar you the azure skies.♪ Upon your breast a crimson crest,♪ Shine Light down from on high.♪

O hero of rebirth transcending,♪ Weave you an azure lie.♪ By your deeds doth crimson bleed,♪ And Darkness quench the fire.♪

O hero of rebirth traversing,♪ Heal you this scarred land.♪ Lay bare cloistered truths and tame the skies,♪ Let azure guide your hand.♪

O hero of rebirth traversing,♪ Break you the tyrants' bonds.♪ Embrace your sin and chase the light,♪ To darkness a world will dawn.♪

Originally Posted by ClaireFaye

This here is an idea I just had...

if I were a seemingly powerful ancient being who's chosen mission is to destroy life as everyone knew it and return it to the way it once was... seemingly no end of tools and supplies at my disposal but almost on my own...? Well, the first thing that I would do is recruit more like-minded individuals. Not everyone is the shattered soul of an Ascian after all, but having the echo is supposed to be a clear sign.

So, maybe he had the Echo awakened in people so that he can see which souls he should be paying attention too and then focus on them. I mean, if you think about it, if that is what he's doing, he's not lying about 'saving the world' and all that because in his mind he is saving this world. Not only that, but apart from Lahabrea and Emet-Selch, the other Ascians were all 'incomplete' and therefore the rest of their sundered souls are still out there, right? Sure they won't be the same people we've fought before, but I can see them coming back.

If there's one thing they've remained kind of foggy about, it's exactly how the Ascian overlords go about bolstering their ranks by creating new Ascians. They've been mentioned as having preference for seeking out the fragments of the original Convocation members, but what they do after that is a mystery. We also don't know if they can only make Ascians of individuals who were already tempered by Zodiark before the Sundering, if any Echo user will do, or if being an Echo user is even a requirement.

For all we know, Elidibus could be intending to sucker some of the WoL wannabes into becoming Ascians; perhaps by misleading them into thinking they could receive Hydaelyn's blessing to become "true" WoLs like us when it's really Zodiark they're going to be getting "blessed" by (Which seems all the more possible with them suggesting the Elidibus we've been seeing and the Elidibus who became Zodiark are one and the same).

I'm hoping that's something that gets revealed in the near future, in any case.