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  1. #81
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    DISCLAIMER: This is a forum, where I am free to express my opinion. If you don't agree...sorry.

    Okay, staying relevant to the original topic annnnnnnnnd some of the posts I've read (and remembered ^^;)

    If you have some 50s, you know where to go. If you don't, ask someone in your linkshell; if you don't have one, that is about half the problem. There was a full group in my linkshell that started partying together at...30 I think, and it just so happened they could all get on at around 6-7pm EST and grind until 10-10:30pm. They were all 50 in 3, maybe 4 days of "legit" grinding. So if time is the concern, a linkshell is a great thing to have (they all had 50s, but wanted to do it the right way, because it is more fun to them [and to me]).

    Time? I pay college tuition to student teach from about 8-4:30/5:30 every day, have a part-time job, and pick up gigs on the side...not to mention my social and romantic life. Yes, I have PLd in the past, and even asked a LS member once to get me up to 35-40 so I could get a party quickly since back then no one really took parties below 35 consistently. But, I do have 5 50s, and the other 4 were pretty much all grind. So, I understand your time restraints, but it is possible. And if it's a class you enjoy, you should enjoy leveling it.

    If it's not a class you enjoy now, why do you think you'll enjoy it for end-game? "I've heard X job is really good at Y end-game, so let me jack it to 50 real quick" is not really justifiable, imo. The class(es) I enjoy most, I enjoyed all the way from 1-50. Some classes have been used in end-game and changed people's opinions about how useful they are.

    To the people saying "partying is boring, flameflameflame," then get a PL. This is a place to express opinions after all, and like Edgecrusher said, it really annoys people when this stuff comes up. I say to try all classes to 15, and the ones you like, grind out. Need an ability from another class? Grind it up or get a PL. I do feel that grinding to 50 does give you a certain finesse over the workings of that job that grinding 40-50 doesn't.

    And finally, to those who say all the content is end-game...that really makes me sadpanda. The core workings of this game is to experience a storyline as your character progress, and then augment that material with end-game, which adds to the story (funny how that works). If you play just for end-game...you're really just playing for the bragging rights of having beat X or having gotten Ifrit/Moogle/Darklight Y. If that's the case, I can not be of the same mindset as you, for I feel you are not really playing the game. If that is all that is fun to you in this game, you are leaving out a lot of content, and you can really get that end-game experience in stand-alone games much easier. "But then there's no one to play with!" Well...I'm sorry, you can just stroke your own e-peen then (I know this isn't everyone who just enjoys end-game, but it hit a nerve, so I apologize. That statement is not intended for everyone; although I feel like those who call me out for it are the ones it is intended for...because SOMETIMES, that is just how forums work.)

    tl;dr Enjoy the game as it is. Level what you want to level, not what you heard is good for end-game. It makes the grind much more enjoyable.
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  2. #82
    Player Xakery's Avatar
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    Why isn't this thread locked?
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  3. #83
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    Rydin's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silvano View Post
    DISCLAIMER: This is a forum, where I am free to express my opinion. If you don't agree...sorry.
    That's true... You are free to say whatever you like

    And the first Amendment guarantees that anyone else is free to criticize... people can call your ideas stupid, someone can call me an idiot...

    Freedom of Speech protects you right to say almost anything...
    But it does NOT shield you from criticism or negative responses

    I can't threaten you physically (And I would never)
    And I can't limit your ability to speak (Which I can't possibly do)

    I never understood why people think free speech also means free from criticism....
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  4. #84
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silvano View Post
    DISCLAIMER: This is a forum, where I am free to express my opinion. If you don't agree...sorry.

    Okay, staying relevant to the original topic annnnnnnnnd some of the posts I've read (and remembered ^^

    If you have some 50s, you know where to go. If you don't, ask someone in your linkshell; if you don't have one, that is about half the problem. There was a full group in my linkshell that started partying together at...30 I think, and it just so happened they could all get on at around 6-7pm EST and grind until 10-10:30pm. They were all 50 in 3, maybe 4 days of "legit" grinding. So if time is the concern, a linkshell is a great thing to have (they all had 50s, but wanted to do it the right way, because it is more fun to them [and to me]).

    Time? I pay college tuition to student teach from about 8-4:30/5:30 every day, have a part-time job, and pick up gigs on the side...not to mention my social and romantic life. Yes, I have PLd in the past, and even asked a LS member once to get me up to 35-40 so I could get a party quickly since back then no one really took parties below 35 consistently. But, I do have 5 50s, and the other 4 were pretty much all grind. So, I understand your time restraints, but it is possible. And if it's a class you enjoy, you should enjoy leveling it.

    If it's not a class you enjoy now, why do you think you'll enjoy it for end-game? "I've heard X job is really good at Y end-game, so let me jack it to 50 real quick" is not really justifiable, imo. The class(es) I enjoy most, I enjoyed all the way from 1-50. Some classes have been used in end-game and changed people's opinions about how useful they are.

    To the people saying "partying is boring, flameflameflame," then get a PL. This is a place to express opinions after all, and like Edgecrusher said, it really annoys people when this stuff comes up. I say to try all classes to 15, and the ones you like, grind out. Need an ability from another class? Grind it up or get a PL. I do feel that grinding to 50 does give you a certain finesse over the workings of that job that grinding 40-50 doesn't.

    And finally, to those who say all the content is end-game...that really makes me sadpanda. The core workings of this game is to experience a storyline as your character progress, and then augment that material with end-game, which adds to the story (funny how that works). If you play just for end-game...you're really just playing for the bragging rights of having beat X or having gotten Ifrit/Moogle/Darklight Y. If that's the case, I can not be of the same mindset as you, for I feel you are not really playing the game. If that is all that is fun to you in this game, you are leaving out a lot of content, and you can really get that end-game experience in stand-alone games much easier. "But then there's no one to play with!" Well...I'm sorry, you can just stroke your own e-peen then (I know this isn't everyone who just enjoys end-game, but it hit a nerve, so I apologize. That statement is not intended for everyone; although I feel like those who call me out for it are the ones it is intended for...because SOMETIMES, that is just how forums work.)

    tl;dr Enjoy the game as it is. Level what you want to level, not what you heard is good for end-game. It makes the grind much more enjoyable.
    freedom is an illusion made up by the people that control you.
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  5. #85
    Player Xakery's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by syntaxlies View Post
    freedom is an illusion made up by the people that control you.
    some needs to fill up the other half of your glass
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkillumina View Post
    "I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."

    1-40 does teach you something about your job. You'd be surprised at the people I've run into who do not know how to rotate/stack their abilities properly.

    I've also met people who don't have a clue how to play in a team setting which makes doing AV and CC runs a pain in the ass, likewise for Ifrit and Moogle.

    Power-leveling is a epidemic and is so wide-spread due to the belief that you have to be 50 to get ANYTHING done in this game. (Which is partly true.) I'm sure when 2.0 is released and the player numbers jump SE will put a stop to the gross PL abuse. Until then take the high road people, learn your job inside and out and do that while you level.
    I have met plenty of players that suck that didn't PL, badies will always be badies regardless of how they leveled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by syntaxlies View Post
    freedom is an illusion made up by the people that control you.

    what gets me is the people that think freedom of speech laws carry over to private forums especially ones ran in other countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rydin View Post
    That's true... You are free to say whatever you like

    And the first Amendment guarantees that anyone else is free to criticize... people can call your ideas stupid, someone can call me an idiot...

    Freedom of Speech protects you right to say almost anything...
    But it does NOT shield you from criticism or negative responses

    I can't threaten you physically (And I would never)
    And I can't limit your ability to speak (Which I can't possibly do)

    I never understood why people think free speech also means free from criticism....
    This isn't a First Amendment issue, nor does the First Amendment allow you to say whatever you want on these boards. Why even bring it up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tacotaru View Post
    This isn't a First Amendment issue, nor does the First Amendment allow you to say whatever you want on these boards. Why even bring it up?
    He apparently thinks the ENGLISH forums is specifically for the United States? I must say though, without being too mean that it's the "English Forums" not the "North American Forums" or the "United States Forums"... The 1st amendment is only a constitutional right to the citizens of the United States of America. Not Europe, Canada, Australia or any PERSON who speaks English (whether first or 2nd language).
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    Even it was the North American forums, ran by a North American located in North America he wouldn't have First Amendment protection here.
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