Locking dyable artifact gear behind a extreme trial, good idea?

[LaylaTsarra]

I'm not particularly enthused about it and I'll probably pass on that gear. I'm not a fan of ex content personally it's just not my thing.

Many wanted relic content that was harder and they delivered. Now some are happy and others aren't. The dev team can't win regardless of what it does. I might add the dyeable AF gear required a lot of crystals in Anemos. I might be wrong it's been awhile but I think you needed 3000 protean and 750 Anemos for a complete set. It wasn't a give away set if you wanted one let alone multiples and I have multiple sets on multiple toons so believe me I spent plenty of time there grinding.

This release is certainly not an hours worth of time investment as some would love to categorize it.

[Limonia]

So you basically mean "I don't want to put in any kind of effort, I just want my stuff"?

How exactly did you get THAT out of what I wrote?
I somehow can't learn new mechanics during the fight "on the fly". In that regard I'm usually one of the slowest in the PF groups I join and often drag them down, esp. if raiders are part of the group. So I need more preparation and more practice than others. That makes it more exhausting for me.
I'm also not exactly in perfect health, so I can't just say "today I'm just going to practice xyz". I need to be prepared for that too. So even if all conditions are met, and I actually feel like doing such content today, it's physically still very exhausting for me.

Also I'm not a hardcore raider, far from it and so are most people of my static and we first killed Shiva 5 weeks ago.

Well, I haven't even tried Ramuh yet, and skipped the last tier completely because the graphic effects of E1S made me nauseous. So no idea what all those action names from Shiva mean. To me even clearing the last fights of a savage tier is a lot. Never done it myself, I do some ex trials and the first two savage fights - if at all.
I'm probably a special case though.

Still, even for players that are physically able to play a lot and so on, there are valid reasons why many can't or don't want to do content where you have to practice a lot at first.
That doesn't mean everyone is lazy, bad or doesn't want to put in any effort. I always try my best in FFXIV.
Another thing for me is about communicating with others. I'm not the best at social interaction, so that's another reason why I rather do casual content now.

[Fhaerron]

*snip*
I'm also not exactly in perfect health, so I can't just say "today I'm just going to practice xyz". I need to be prepared for that too. So even if all conditions are met, and I actually feel like doing such content today, it's physically still very exhausting for me.

Don't be so hard on yourself. Various people need more time for certain things, things that are hard for me will also kill me several times before I start to get the hang of it.
And just take a break, you really don't have to explain yourself if you're tired or something is wrong take a break and do it again whenever you feel up for it.

Well, I haven't even tried Ramuh yet, and skipped the last tier completely because the graphic effects of E1S made me nauseous.*snip*

For the graphic effects, have you tried adjusting the combat effect display settings? I don't recall the exact name it's listed in under the options, I had to adjust and lower certain effects too like that of the party effects because I was unable to see certain things otherwise.
Also maybe a colour filter and/or adjusting settings on your monitor itself? I recently bought a new gaming monitor and outside the standard blue light filter there's several presets on it and also a 'night' mode to reduce overall brightness and make the colours more warm and it actually helped to reduce the strain on my eyes, especially late in the evenings my eyes don't tire out as fast. It might be wort a shot if you haven't done so already.

*snip* Another thing for me is about communicating with others. I'm not the best at social interaction, so that's another reason why I rather do casual content now.

Ok, I'll be fair and say that I totally not thought about that in my post earlier. Though on the other hand this is still an MMO, I can't really blame SE to put stuff behind a group activity.
As an example: I would be annoyed that in order to finish FFXV I would need to group up (comrades the online group play thing for XV) since well I bought that because it's a single player game. XIV while having a lot of story and solo content is still an MMO.

If you do not wish to communicate it might be harder to clear certain group activities, even more so if you want to go in blind and see everything.

I can't really remove the communicate part but if you'd like I can help you, we're on the same DC I see, so if you feel like you want and can do it and you would like help don't hesitate.

[E4EO]

I also don't really understand this "EX is for hardcore raiders only".
If anything EX has been getting easier and easier every expansion.

My static sadly only really is interested in Savage and thus we don't do EX but I got my first kill in just 3 hours with random PF pug. That was with several death and we never saw enrage.

I think most people don't even try it and just QQ about it because it has an EX tag.

It's not because it's extreme content, its because of certain other players, as horrible and selfish as that sounds.

I've learned over the course of my year with FF14 that other players are both the worst and best parts of this game, without other players, we wouldnt be able to do something as simple as level up, don't forget the types of players that play their job well, explain certain mechanics to new players in a cohesive manner without much confusion. On the other side of the spectrum though there are people who don't explain things at all no matter what, don't rez you in a ARR alliance raid "cuz muh quick clear", stand at the first barred door in the Praetorium cause their too lazy to get a suit of magitek armour and would rather slow things down thanks to one less suit, use the elevator in the same dungeon because they're to bloody selfish to wait, and do a poor job with their well, job, and it's not always because they're bad either, what if they've had a long day at work and aren't feeling it?

And that's where I come into the types of people I've met when I've attempted EX, I've seen people do the following in both practice and clear parties:

1. Leave after 2 wipes instead of trying to discus with the team what went wrong and how to remedy it
2. Barking orders on whats supposed to be done without discussing alternative strategies with the party
3. Explaining things in a way that they assume we already know a good chunk of the fight instead of starting from the beginning when we're here to practice (This ones a hit or miss because at least they're trying to help, but remember that just trying doesn't kill the boss)
4. Insult/demean players if they mess up instead of discussing what when wrong and how to remedy it (I've encountered this and been on the receiving end so that's fun)

I've delt with at least one of those 4 mentioned things in quite a few PF EX's, I just wish I had screencaps.

And I know that your thinking I'm being a wuss, but it's the human factor that ruins EX for me, if this EX trial was single player or if everyone in the party was willing to have a rational discussion without leaving or barking orders, I'd be going at it for hours on end until I figure it out, I enjoy difficultly in games, but not artificial difficulty created by nasty and awful players.

[Fhaerron]

*snip* And I know that your thinking I'm being a wuss, but it's the human factor that ruins EX for me, if this EX trial was single player or if everyone in the party was willing to have a rational discussion without leaving or barking orders, I'd be going at it for hours on end until I figure it out, I enjoy difficultly in games, but not artificial difficulty created by nasty and awful players.

I never thought that you were a wuss!
The reasons you summed up are actually one of the most important reasons I joined a static, the other being I don't have all that much time so it's easier for me with a static and schedule days and times we're going to do the raid.

I've also had many bad experiences with PF but we also do have a blacklist so don't be afraid to use it.

At this time I would still not do Savage with a PF pug but I found EX to be easy enough now to be pug-able, there's still the change of bad apples and bad groups but just use blacklist and join another group.

Maybe try to search/join LS's and/or Discord's with people who have a similar play style as you?

[Eldevern]

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Hardcore is not related to the time you play but the kind of content you play. Savage is by definition what we call an hardcore content. As soon as you invest time to clear them, you are part of "hardcore scene" (thought that could be confusing since people imagine sometimes it make them "pro-gamer-like". People who do hardcore content but don't have these kind of "ambition" don't necessary consider themselves as "hardcore" scene).

[Fhaerron]

Hardcore is not related to the time you play but the kind of content you play. Savage is by definition what we call an hardcore content. As soon as you invest time to clear them, you are part of "hardcore scene" (thought that could be confusing since people imagine sometimes it make them "pro-gamer-like". People who do hardcore content but don't have these kind of "ambition" don't necessary consider themselves as "hardcore" scene).

Yeah, I set my first foot in raiding back in 2007 in WoW. There's an insane big raiding community there and instead of cross world statics we have here, there you mostly have guilds formed to do the raids and there the recruitments were always with 'casual' or 'semi-casual' and then 'hardcore' for the people that invested much more hours into raiding. And I grew up with always those terms around me.
Most of my time I've been in 'semi-casual' guilds that were usually 3 hours for 3evenings / week. (which is similar to my current playtime in XIV now)
And then I've had some times in hardcore guilds where we went up to 5-6 days of raiding pretty much 'most of the day' / week.


All that in mind that's how I see myself today in XIV, I'm not good enough nor do I have enough time to be part of the 'hardcore' group but I see myself in the middle ground.

[Leloa]

I was looking forward to it, been waiting to get that Dancer top to be dyeable from the start of the expansion. But it dyes horribly and still has pink bits on it... Guess I'm saved from the trial.

[Lord_Umbra]

Only part I really dislike is if I want all sets it's around 170 runs if I don't get lucky with the chest rolls.

Will add though I'm very surprised it's EX I was expecting HM since they nerfed the heck out of Orbonne to push players through but then gate them from AF gear with an EX.

[Derio]

It doesnt even drop a dragon so I am confused as to why they would even put something that most casual people want behind an extreme trial.