Locking dyable artifact gear behind a extreme trial, good idea?

[Rufalus]

I like them trying different things but I'd love to know why they went with extreme difficulty for this trial. Was kinda hoping that it would be something I could just DF with any friends of any skill level. It's also only the 2nd time ever that a TT card has been locked behind an Ex fight. The other was Thordan for some reason, didn't drop on normal mode like other cards.

[Duskane]

Just let people sell the coffers already have ARR gear augments on MB

[NekoHina]

Extreme and savage is for raiders generally speaking. So why block our dyeable AF gear that is for EVERYONE behind a trial like this? It is so upsetting to me. Extreme and savage versions are special content for a certain type of player and a lot of the player base is like me...we play to relax and have fun and have no desire for the stress and anxiety that come with Extreme content. SE, this is VERY UNFAIR!!! I truly hope you make a change to this and fix it soon.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Extreme and savage is for raiders generally speaking. So why block our dyeable AF gear that is for EVERYONE behind a trial like this? It is so upsetting to me. Extreme and savage versions are special content for a certain type of player and a lot of the player base is like me...we play to relax and have fun and have no desire for the stress and anxiety that come with Extreme content. SE, this is VERY UNFAIR!!! I truly hope you make a change to this and fix it soon.

Extremes are for everyone. For some reason, recently people seem to think anything harder than normal mode is for hardcore raiders only...


Not sure where this is all coming from. Back in 2.0, more people did ex fights and raids. Now suddenly if it's any kind of difficult it's too much.

[Deceptus]

Extremes are for everyone. For some reason, recently people seem to think anything harder than normal mode is for hardcore raiders only...


Not sure where this is all coming from. Back in 2.0, more people did ex fights and raids. Now suddenly if it's any kind of difficult it's too much.

EX's aren't by any definition "casual" content. It's in the mid tier category.

So you basically mean "I don't want to put in any kind of effort, I just want my stuff"?

How very condescending.

Also I'm not a hardcore raider, far from

Also:

My static sadly only really is interested in Savage and thus we don't do EX .

If you're in Savage exclusively I think most would consider you hardcore. I think you need to get some perspective. You've clearly been doing some of the hardest content in the game and have forgotten what it's like to be newer.

[Fhaerron]

If you're in Savage exclusively I think most would consider you hardcore. I think you need to get some perspective. You've clearly been doing some of the hardest content in the game and have forgotten what it's like to be newer.

I would not consider current Savage to be the hardest content in the game. Coils, Alex and Omega (though also easier then the first two) are considered to be much more difficult, jobs were also 'harder' to play correctly and you had much more abilities to use.
Yoshi himself did say that he wanted more people to do Savage, I believe this was the reason it's been made more accessible. At the same time we now also have Ultimate difficulty for people who want to enjoy a harder difficulty then Savage.


What do you understand about 'Hardcore'?
First week > 4 nights of 4 hours raid time, first 2 bosses down.
Second week > 4 nights of 4 hours raid time, 3 bosses down and prog on Shiva.
Third week > 4 nights of 4 hours raid time, up to second phase Shiva.
Fourth week> 3 nights of 4 hours and Shiva down.
(there was 1 Sunday we went for 6 hours, I think that was in the third week but I don't fully recall when it was)
This is not hardcore.
Besides, I work full time, go the the gym and have other real life responsibilities So I won't even have the time to do much more.


Look at all the worlds first and first week clears, those are people who take vacation from work and do nothing else then raid full days.
Last, there's also hundreds and hundreds of people playing much better then me, so I cannot see how I'm hardcore with this little time in raids and my personal skill level in this game.


I take enjoyment in harder things (I also like the souls games and other single player games I can put on harder difficulties), I wipe a lot but the more we wipe the more excitement I get and the more fun I eventually have when we're finally able to kill the boss.
I take a look at the top players and know full well that I'll never reach that but it doesn't stop me from trying my best and always aim to improve.

That's just how I play. (:

[Sesera]

What do you understand about 'Hardcore'?
First week > 4 nights of 4 hours raid time, first 2 bosses down.
Second week > 4 nights of 4 hours raid time, 3 bosses down and prog on Shiva.
Third week > 4 nights of 4 hours raid time, up to second phase Shiva.
Fourth week> 3 nights of 4 hours and Shiva down.
(there was 1 Sunday we went for 6 hours, I think that was in the third week but I don't fully recall when it was)
This is not hardcore.
Besides, I work full time, go the the gym and have other real life responsibilities So I won't even have the time to do much more.:

4 hours for 4 days for 3 weeks is clearly not casual.

[Hyperia]

What do you understand about 'Hardcore'?
First week > 4 nights of 4 hours raid time, first 2 bosses down.
Second week > 4 nights of 4 hours raid time, 3 bosses down and prog on Shiva.
Third week > 4 nights of 4 hours raid time, up to second phase Shiva.
Fourth week> 3 nights of 4 hours and Shiva down.
(there was 1 Sunday we went for 6 hours, I think that was in the third week but I don't fully recall when it was)
This is not hardcore.

This is the very definition of hardcore! Anything more than this falls into world first / server first / no game no life.


Ok Devs... been thinking about this for a bit. Since Shadow Bringers is actually Crafting Bringers, how about meeting us half way. Create an augmentation kit that takes the original ShB AF gear and turns it into ShB AF gear that's dyable, same stats, nothing else.

[Liam_Harper]

Extremes are for everyone. For some reason, recently people seem to think anything harder than normal mode is for hardcore raiders only...


Not sure where this is all coming from. Back in 2.0, more people did ex fights and raids. Now suddenly if it's any kind of difficult it's too much.

For some reason the definition of "casual" has gone from "does not invest as much time in the game and likes a relaxed schedule" to "only plays faceroll easy, must not use a proper rotation, must have all rewards first try".

I mean, the EX is fine in terms of difficulty, but people aren't treating it like progression content. A few weeks progression should be perfectly normal for a non-story raid boss in an MMO, heck this is content that's meant to last us several months, but nowadays people are at day 1-2 after spending just two hours in a group and immediately deciding it's unfair and way too hardcore.

It's a definite side effect of having too much handed to us on a plate. We expect it, even demand it now. Anything that isn't handed on a plate feels jarring because we aren't used to it, it doesn't feel right, Enix is meant to just give us things and stick to their pattern.
They've done irreparable damage that has locked them into burning a ton of dev resources on throwaway 1 hour content, then endure a list of threads on how cheap and empty the expansion feels. It's unfortunate.

[Alestorm]

Honestly as much as I want my AF gear dyable, I think I'll wait until we out gear the fight a bit more.