Locking dyable artifact gear behind a extreme trial, good idea?

[Eldevern]

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To reply to your question, I don't say europeans share the same mindset about PF. Only... french people will looking for french people, german will looking for german people... I will not develop for each country, I guess you understand.

Does it make things more difficult? It make the PF fill often pretty slow. And when you wait two hours the pf fill and end with a troll, with someone who give up after three wipes. PF after PF, you fed up and decide you don't want to deal with random anymore.

Most of the players I know from ARR are now gone, because of IRL matters but the difficulty to build a fair PF make them less motivated to come back. The same problem goes to build a static.

In the end, for Ex, some people will not even bother, some will make the effort for the clear, but they will escape the farm.

What about me... I'm using wifi and my latency is so-so.

If you want me to be honest, are some of us jared? Probably. And a dyable gear behind an Ex doesn't sound that worthy to get motivation.

[DanteKardo]

Doing this was an incredibly bad choice.

Dyeable AF gear is something the entire community is interested in. They are cool looking armors after all.

High endgame content like the Ex Trials are comparatively a niche part of the game, that only a select percentage of players participate in.

Trying to 'force' the mass of players to participate in content they would never touch with a 10 foot pole is not smart game design or encouraging.

And that's just touching upon the 'obvious', general issue with this doesn't work. Then there's the peculiarities of Ex Trial logistics. Not everyone can afford to commit to a static. Not everyone is a teenager with 24/7 time on his hands. Alot of people have to schedule their gaming hours around their life, not the other way around.

This forces people into the Party Finder, which for EX-trials is simply dysfunctional. Practice parties barely if ever manage to get clears, because of simple arythmetics. EX-trial needs 8 people, Ex-trial can wipe if 1-2 people make a mistake. Chances someone will make a mistake in an EX trial are high. 8 people will consistently fail clearing through no fault of their own. Out of all these people, the few that make it suddenly consider themselves 'above the casul dirt', and start implementing insane demands for their PF's. 'Must know fight' (You didn't when you began), 'Ilvl 485+'. 'Disband on Wipe'. So on and so forth.

Survival of the fittest strategies are fine in PVP based content. Not in co-op based content.

[Aniise]

To reply to your question, I don't say Europeans share the same mindset about PF. Only... French people will looking for French people, Germans will looking for german people... I will not develop for each country, I guess you understand.

This is not quite true. As a German on a German dominated server (Shiva on Light DC) I have to disagree to that sentiment. While you might be correct that a little few people that are unsure of how to speak another language like English might prefer to group with people who they can communicate with, this doesn't mean that most of the German, French or other language speaking people share the same problem.

Shiva has like...approximately 70% of German speaking people on it, Odin is also on Light and also has a very big German population. And guess what? The pf language is 95% English, the only times you see a German or French comment on there are very, very rare. English is an universally spoken language, and most children in European countries learn it pretty early on in school. If you really want a party where everyone just speaks your language, sure, go ahead and open one. But most people just don't care, speaking English is the easiest way to communicate. Thus, pfs fill up rather quick on Light - IF you are playing during prime-time, that is.

I'm sorry to give you my 2 cents about this matter, but to say that European Servers have it harder to fill pfs because of the so called 'language barrier' is just not correct.

[Eldevern]

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I suppose it has somehow changed since the last time I tried. Thinking about it, my last attempt (whatever it be with a FC or alone) seems to be... during HW (time flies, I didn't realize it was that old ) it means it was before the world split and upgrade. The feedbacks I had after were so-so and not really motivating.

I probably should give it a try... thought it doesn't solve my latency problem.

[Mavrias]

Doing this was an incredibly bad choice.

Dyeable AF gear is something the entire community is interested in. They are cool looking armors after all.

High endgame content like the Ex Trials are comparatively a niche part of the game, that only a select percentage of players participate in.

Trying to 'force' the mass of players to participate in content they would never touch with a 10 foot pole is not smart game design or encouraging.

And that's just touching upon the 'obvious', general issue with this doesn't work. Then there's the peculiarities of Ex Trial logistics. Not everyone can afford to commit to a static. Not everyone is a teenager with 24/7 time on his hands. Alot of people have to schedule their gaming hours around their life, not the other way around.

This forces people into the Party Finder, which for EX-trials is simply dysfunctional. Practice parties barely if ever manage to get clears, because of simple arythmetics. EX-trial needs 8 people, Ex-trial can wipe if 1-2 people make a mistake. Chances someone will make a mistake in an EX trial are high. 8 people will consistently fail clearing through no fault of their own. Out of all these people, the few that make it suddenly consider themselves 'above the casul dirt', and start implementing insane demands for their PF's. 'Must know fight' (You didn't when you began), 'Ilvl 485+'. 'Disband on Wipe'. So on and so forth.

Survival of the fittest strategies are fine in PVP based content. Not in co-op based content.

My sloppiest clear of the new EX had 22 total deaths between the entire party. That's not "wipe if 1-2 people make a mistake" levels of difficulty. EX trials are not exactly niche content either. When i open PF during peak times and find nearly 5x as many EX parties as there are savage parties that tells me its not just the raiding community that does them.

"Must know the fight" is not an unreasonable demand for a farm party. ilvl 485+ is literally just "come on your main job that you have the most geared or be a savage raider on an alt." "Disband on wipe'" parties typically only do so if you wipe in the first phase, because it implies the party is not fit to work together. Wiping at the very end is usually forgiven.

In cooperative content people can still have expectations of teammates.

[dinnertime]

It's bizarre that people are suddenly believing you need a static to clear/farm an EX trial of all things.

[Deceptus]

It's bizarre that people are suddenly believing you need a static to clear/farm an EX trial of all things.

It's bizarre that people are suddenly thinking that EX content has any business being involved in the Relic.

It's always been casual. A catch up mechanic done over the life of the expansion. To pay off at the end of it.

[dinnertime]

It's bizarre that people are suddenly thinking that EX content has any business being involved in the Relic.

It's always been casual. A catch up mechanic done over the life of the expansion. To pay off at the end of it.

This is dyeable AF gear though. It's been different on how it's obtained for each version of the game, but still I think it's questionable. If it was the Relic weapon and there's no other way to do it, then that's a big problem.
But really, I'm talking about how people think it's required to clear EX trials with a static. Your reply has no relevance to what I said.

[Liam_Harper]

I do have to admit that while the trial is really fun, it's a strange decision as a reward.

I don't know why they made it 480 and attached no mount. I beat the trial once, the glam isn't great ...so I'm done. 485 or even 490 would have made more sense, any player who isn't savage geared would probably farm a set, maybe even give them a little stepping stone to Savage. Then next patch the tome upgrades get released and we turn our Allegory gear into 500ilv and that takes over and becomes relevant again. So a 485-490 set wouldn't even make anything irrelevant, just serve as a decent patch filler.

Why take something away from casual players to use as a reward for EX players who don't even want it that much, then refuse EX players any sort of reward they'd actually farm for. Both sides have lost out really.

[Eldevern]

It's bizarre that people are suddenly believing you need a static to clear/farm an EX trial of all things.

You think it is sudden. That's not. It is since the PF release. Many player don't want to have to deal (anymore again) with the PF randoms because of the mess it can be, that's all.

And some people neither want to deal with the PF than any static because of dramas.

Praising the ego of some random self-entitled pseudo-pgm is not my thing.