5.X Relic Feedback Thread

[Ivellior]

Eureka was shit content. If the relic wasn't tied to it it would have just been another diadem. Dead in a couple of weeks.
You can tell it's bad from the way people play it. Instead of forming parties and grinding mobs like the designers intended, everyone just runned around in a big train trying not to die.
If you joined with a group of people who where lower level you didn't get xp, so grouping up was even further discouraged, so you couldn't get help or play with friends if the difference was too high.
Solo was impossible for most classes. You were forced to play with others. If there was a train and you could join it was good, otherwise tough luck. If you didn't do it on time when there were a lot of people tough luck.
They added a TON of rewards and people still didn't want to do it. People still hate it to this day. You might like it, but it that doesn't mean it was good.

Besides relic was originally designed with 2 purposes.
1. Give a catch up weapon to players that isn't difficult, but requires time.
2. Repopulate the old content and help players already doing said content.

And it totally failed on 2nd purpose.

[Dreamsoap]

Eureka was shit content. If the relic wasn't tied to it it would have just been another diadem. Dead in a couple of weeks.

There's servers dedicated to running BA on a weekly basis. Popping your head into any of the maps currently shows trains running hourly, people are constantly progressing through every zone.
I've even seen a recent uptick in new players in Anemos, I'm assuming it's because everyone is using it as an easy poets grind (two birds on stone for SHB and SB relic grind.)

You can tell it's bad from the way people play it. Instead of forming parties and grinding mobs like the designers intended, everyone just runned around in a big train trying not to die.

You have to do NM trains to progress to the next map. I can't imagine anyone find grinding mobs to be the exhilarating part of Eureka, if you're mid range in a given map you used NM trains as a means to knock out your clogs.

If you joined with a group of people who where lower level you didn't get xp, so grouping up was even further discouraged, so you couldn't get help or play with friends if the difference was too high.

This is the one valid criticism and something I wish they'd fix. I want to be able to power my friends through the early parts of Anemos which was a true barrier to entry. I hated it at that level.

You might like it, but it that doesn't mean it was good.

Eureka has been significantly nerfed down to a much more enjoyable level. People still like it to this day. You might hate it, but that doesn't mean it was bad.

[Ivellior]

There's servers dedicated to running BA on a weekly basis. Popping your head into any of the maps currently shows trains running hourly, people are constantly progressing through every zone.
I've even seen a recent uptick in new players in Anemos, I'm assuming it's because everyone is using it as an easy poets grind and two birds on stone for SHB and SB relic grind.

So you need to find an out of game application (discord?), find the said discord server/channel and then be able to run the content. I'm sorry but that just means it's dead content.
I can do all previous relics by doing stuff already in game, populated with players without even having to look for information outside the game on how to complete the said content.

You have to do NM trains to progress to the next map. That's by design.

So you are telling me that being a a low level character (say level 2), having to join a train in order to progress, having to dodge mobs, die all the time just in order to be able to level up (because there are no normal parties) is by design?
And that happened just in a short week or two after the content came out. People do trains because it's the most efficient way, and because doing it normally is shit.

I'm inclined to believe that the designed method is that you need to spawn the fate and kill the boss fate. Since people are killing monster all the time in the instance the boss will spawn naturally.
When it was relevant (ie when it came out) those boss fates would spawn since a lot of people were doing the content. When people moved on the only way possible to do it was trains.

You can claim that trains were a thing because of efficiency. That's true. People used to farm brayflox HM for efficiency during previous relic steps. That didn't impede normal people from doing thins normally.
You can do previous relic quests and steps just fine with not hassle. It's plainly badly designed content. Just like diadem.

People still like it to this day. You might hate it, but that doesn't mean it was bad.

I like B-rate horror movies, that doesn't mean they are good.

[Eldevern]

Eureka was shit content.

Eureka it still pretty lively for shit content. Weird.

[LaylaTsarra]

Eureka it still pretty lively for shit content. Weird.

It sure is and many of us loved the content. Interesting to see how many people have marbles when A train hunting.

https://i.imgur.com/fGSFvCo.jpg

It sure wasn't a failure although according to the forum soothsayers Anemos was supposed to die when the first wave of people hit 20 and would give up on the content. No one would ever get to Hydatos but oddly enough this alt just earned a WHM relic there with fairly well populated zones and an active BA Discord group running that content almost daily.

If you haven't given it a try lately the nerfs have made the content very manageable even with small groups. I am glad to see they haven't nerfed BA though.

[EtherRose]

Eureka it still pretty lively for shit content. Weird.

It sure is and many of us loved the content. Interesting to see how many people have marbles when A train hunting.

https://i.imgur.com/fGSFvCo.jpg

It sure wasn't a failure although according to the forum soothsayers Anemos was supposed to die when the first wave of people hit 20 and would give up on the content. No one would ever get to Hydatos but oddly enough this alt just earned a WHM relic there with fairly well populated zones and an active BA Discord group running that content almost daily.

If you haven't given it a try lately the nerfs have made the content very manageable even with small groups. I am glad to see they haven't nerfed BA though.

This is exactly the community right now on EVERYTHING. You have part of the community who didn't like it and part who did. Then when SE does something different for a first-part relic it happens again. Some of the community likes it, some doesn't. SE just can't win no matter how they try to implement things to appease their players. You will always have people who are divided and will complain.

[BasicBlake]

Eureka it still pretty lively for shit content. Weird.

Yeah it was. As one of the few very vocal about my love for Eureka (I blame my years in XI), I absolutely loved the people you met in there. You spent hours grinding in there so you were bound to either make some friends or enemies. I had a few friends who would join an eureka instance just to maximize the chat screen and wait for the drama. It was literally the highlight of her night.

As short as this started off this time around, the story seems to be great (which was something I was hoping eureka would get around to). And I really can’t wait to see where it goes. That little bit we got has me fully itching to see where it goes.

God I hope this version’s Eureka is something like us helping out around the no man’s land/war zone around Dalmasca.

[Halivel]

Eureka it still pretty lively for shit content. Weird.

It is quite lively now, but there were periods when it was died out almost completely. Mainly when new stages were released. I remember I was trying to do Pyros 2 weeks after Hydatos dropped (and still didn't finish it, to be honest), and instances were nearly empty even at peak times. Also tried to help a friend to level in Anemos at about same time, and it didn't go well. Dark days. Hydatos, as far as I know, didn't meet this empty instances phase, but I'm not sure as I wasn't there.

[Ivellior]

It's not eureka so that is a big plus for it. The story and solo instance/duty was interesting. The biggest downside it that it was a bit short.
They could have added a few dungeons in between (similar to the 2.0 relic quest) to pad the content, at least for the first weapon.
If they wanted to make it easy to get multiple weapons it's fine to keep the current scheme (ie just tomestones) but the acquisition of the first one should have had some extra busywork.

[Jirah]

The weapons don’t feel special anymore. Relic weapons are supposed to be hard earned not participation trophies. People comparing this 20 min quest line to Eureka is laughable. Sure Eureka is awful but it’s content it was new and had a endgoal. Also no dyeable 80 weapons from our starter gear? The GNB one is the coolest Gunblade in the game and it can’t be dyed? Pitiful.

The bar has been set low for 6.2 and 5.3 they had to try in order to be disappointing and 4.3 wasn’t much better either