Revelations from Save the Queen

[Vyrerus]

It's probably either this or being half Garlean . In FF12 Noah's mother was Archadian, and when the empire of Archadia conquered Landis he went to them and swore loyalty, eventually becoming a Judge (equivalent to Garlemald's legati). I could see them doing the same thing here but swapping Archadia for Garlemald.

That's my hunch. He's going to be a mixed Garlean, where the third eye did manifest, making people believe him full blooded.

[Anonymoose]

Popping back in to wrap up the OP and catch up.

To address one thing, though:

Fordola could not see the future.

Urianger explained that Fordola was reading the "whispers of Alisaie's soul" and the aetherial traces in the air to predict her movements. That is consistent with reading the "whispers of the soul" to share a memory or understand speech, and Krile's unique manifestation of the Echo being very sensitive to people's aetherial traces.

We do not yet know how the Echo is how Mikoto can see the future.
We've yet to see an Echo-based power that wasn't some kind of soul interaction.

It was nice to hear them remember Mezaya Thousand Eyes exists, though, so I'm excited to see where that goes.

[EdwinLi]

Popping back in to wrap up the OP and catch up.

To address one thing, though:

Fordola could not see the future.

Urianger explained that Fordola was reading the "whispers of Alisaie's soul" and the aetherial traces in the air to predict her movements. That is consistent with reading the "whispers of the soul" to share a memory or understand speech, and Krile's unique manifestation of the Echo being very sensitive to people's aetherial traces.

We do not yet know how the Echo is how Mikoto can see the future.
We've yet to see an Echo-based power that wasn't some kind of soul interaction.

It was nice to hear them remember Mezaya Thousand Eyes exists, though, so I'm excited to see where that goes.

Well considering the Echo is only a fragment of the original powers, who really can say the potential of the True powers. Considering it is only a fragment, I think the randomness of a Echo's power is certainly the cause of her having Absolute Future sight while our WoL has Soul reminisce sight.

We know Krile Echo is the power to see the past of certain people as well but for her it seems to be focused on Viewing the events from a third person perspective while WoL is directly reenacting events as the person themselves.

Considering these are only fragmented version of the original powers, one can only imagine the potential it may have once complete and have aboslute powers to not only see the past of other people through direct experience as the person or only spectate it from 3rd person but to see absolute or potential futures as well. Not to mention universal language translation and even read a person's movements before they even make a move themselves.

[YianKutku]

Considering these are only fragmented version of the original powers, one can only imagine the potential it may have once complete and have aboslute powers to not only see the past of other people through direct experience as the person or only spectate it from 3rd person but to see absolute or potential futures as well.

Given the fate of the Ancients, as well as the actions of the Ascians themselves, it is highly unlikely that their "complete Echo" can see the future, at least to any useful degree.

[Naria]

Hmm, well I suppose ARR does start with the player character having a vision of fighting Lahabrea in the aetherial sea--so that could be an instance of echo serving as precognition as well?

[EdwinLi]

Given the fate of the Ancients, as well as the actions of the Ascians themselves, it is highly unlikely that their "complete Echo" can see the future, at least to any useful degree.

That is the tricky part of the Absolute Future vision part of the Echo it will only show them the future that will Absolute happen but Possible Future sight may not be part of the Echo full potential from by guess.

Thus they will only be able to see what will always happen but what happens before or after is always uncertain. It is not very useful since it will happen no matter what it allows certain things to be prepared for it. In this case they most likely saw the First Calamity but could not see what happened before or after because the source was constantly moving or change and the future had many possible outcomes of complete destruction and surviving. Summoning Zodiark was probably only one possible option but there may have been other ways to survive the First Calamity.

[Anonymoose]

If the Ancients could see any of the future at all, it strikes me as odd that that the Amaurotines would like to debate as much as they did.

You'd think having advance access to what the other would say and which course of action or philosophy would pan out better would take the fun out of it.

[RenewalXVII]

We do know the Ancients' capabilities were not universally uniform; Hythlodaeus for instance had far keener aetherial sight than Hades. It'd be a simple addition for future sight to be as exceptionally rare among Ancients as it is for modern Echo bearers.

Moreover, thematically speaking, given the Ancients' pseudo-Grecian aesthetic, a Cassandra type figure wouldn't be too out of place.

[EdwinLi]

If the Ancients could see any of the future at all, it strikes me as odd that that the Amaurotines would like to debate as much as they did.

You'd think having advance access to what the other would say and which course of action or philosophy would pan out better would take the fun out of it.

It was probably a long debate which option to take and also consider the possible negative effects those options will have as well. Politics getting in the way of things was still a important factor that slowed down the process of things because people could not agree on which solution until it was almost too late thus they acted on the Zodiark plan. We saw a part of this from the side-quest and even now in 5.2 we see the disagreement on the solution as the ones who summon Hydealyn did stat the First Calamity will return and Zodiark was only a short term solution that is only holding it back.

If someone did see the First Calamity at a specific Absolute moment, then this comment will mean that the event seen has yet to happen. The First Calamity may have happened as predicted but the moment forseen during the Calamity did not yet.

Though this will certainly bring up a lot of questions about the First Calamity and how will it be prevented after that Absolute event.

[Iscah]

So... I replayed the "When It Rains" MSQ chapter with the sin eater attack on Lakeland and there's actually something in there that explains AoE markers and debunks the Echo future-sense theory.

At one point in the battle, Alphinaud announces he can feel a surge of aether coming, and is immediately marked with a stack marker.

It sounds like it's more of a general aetherial sensitivity that doesn't even require the Echo. It doesn't explain physical attacks, but that could just be a matter of reading the enemy's movements.