Revelations from Save the Queen

[EdwinLi]

And that is why I put no stock into headcanon and don't bother with it myself.

For Mikoto, I'm curious if her future sight Echo locks her into that path, and try as she might, she can't change things. As in, a person with the right type of Echo might be able to nudge the scales just with their presence. The example of her power that we've had so far was rather benign and nothing they'd be super worried about. We already know that Echos interact, and it was shown again with Mikoto's ability to join us in the memory dive. What if they're somehow able to share information through time by some strange interaction? What if she views the future of the WoL viewing the past and they are not only aware of it but can somehow communicate information?

Nah, I doubt they put that much thought into it.

I believe that the future sight is only showing her Absolute Futures rather than possible future.

Absolute Futures are always going to happen but what happens before and after are all Possible Futures so those aspect after the forseen events can be changed.

For example, if she was to see someone dying or die then it will happen but if the vision only shows the person for a short time dying or die then the moment after that forseen moment can have them be return back to life or their death is prevented since these are moment after the forseen absolute future events.

[Vulcwen]

I believe that the future sight is only showing her Absolute Futures rather than possible future.

Absolute Futures are always going to happen but what happens before and after are all Possible Futures so those aspect after the forseen events can be changed.

For example, if she was to see someone dying or die then it will happen but if the vision only shows the person for a short time dying or die then the moment after that forseen moment can have them be return back to life or their death is prevented since these are moment after the forseen absolute future events.

Yep, the context of the vision is not clear. It's however interesting that the one case we've seen is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Seeing Cid in the vision causes us to seek out Cid so that the vision can become a reality.

[EdwinLi]

Yep, the context of the vision is not clear. It's however interesting that the one case we've seen is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Seeing Cid in the vision causes us to seek out Cid so that the vision can become a reality.

That is the tricky thing about Absolute futures. They will happen no matter what but when and why is only the matter of the question. Even if WoL and Mikoto did not seek out Cid, some other events will cause Cid to eventually go there and experience that event another time and by another reason.

Thus by just causing the event directly, WoL and Mikoto will at least be directly prepared for it as they control when and why it happens.

[Naria]

Hmm, well I suppose ARR does start with the player character having a vision of fighting Lahabrea in the aetherial sea--so that could be an instance of echo serving as precognition as well?

[Anonymoose]

If the Ancients could see any of the future at all, it strikes me as odd that that the Amaurotines would like to debate as much as they did.

You'd think having advance access to what the other would say and which course of action or philosophy would pan out better would take the fun out of it.

[EdwinLi]

If the Ancients could see any of the future at all, it strikes me as odd that that the Amaurotines would like to debate as much as they did.

You'd think having advance access to what the other would say and which course of action or philosophy would pan out better would take the fun out of it.

It was probably a long debate which option to take and also consider the possible negative effects those options will have as well. Politics getting in the way of things was still a important factor that slowed down the process of things because people could not agree on which solution until it was almost too late thus they acted on the Zodiark plan. We saw a part of this from the side-quest and even now in 5.2 we see the disagreement on the solution as the ones who summon Hydealyn did stat the First Calamity will return and Zodiark was only a short term solution that is only holding it back.

If someone did see the First Calamity at a specific Absolute moment, then this comment will mean that the event seen has yet to happen. The First Calamity may have happened as predicted but the moment forseen during the Calamity did not yet.

Though this will certainly bring up a lot of questions about the First Calamity and how will it be prevented after that Absolute event.

[Vyrerus]

If the Ancients could see any of the future at all, it strikes me as odd that that the Amaurotines would like to debate as much as they did.

You'd think having advance access to what the other would say and which course of action or philosophy would pan out better would take the fun out of it.

Have you ever seen Minority Report? Just because you have pre-cognition, doesn't mean your pre-cognition is the best/only vision of the future(s).

[Iscah]

Have you ever seen Minority Report? Just because you have pre-cognition, doesn't mean your pre-cognition is the best/only vision of the future(s).

Mikoto specifically states that her visions do show the definite future, not just a possibility.

Of course there's a possibility she just hasn't encountered an exception yet, especially if they're rare.

[Vyrerus]

Mikoto specifically states that her visions do show the definite future, not just a possibility.

Of course there's a possibility she just hasn't encountered an exception yet, especially if they're rare.

Yeah, sure hers does. Not like that will be something we overturn probably with the next iteration or two of it, unless they keep it a one off. More than that though, if we're going to suppose that Ancients had futuresight, and we already suppose that the Echo is different at varying levels of strength for everyone, then it stands to reason that if the Ancients could see the future, not all of them could/would see it with the same scope. Hence, debating each other would still have merit, since either not everyone is 100% Absolute Oracle or everyone is, but can't agree on what the futuresight means for the journey to get there.

[RenewalXVII]

We do know the Ancients' capabilities were not universally uniform; Hythlodaeus for instance had far keener aetherial sight than Hades. It'd be a simple addition for future sight to be as exceptionally rare among Ancients as it is for modern Echo bearers.

Moreover, thematically speaking, given the Ancients' pseudo-Grecian aesthetic, a Cassandra type figure wouldn't be too out of place.