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  1. #11
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    Urthdigger's Avatar
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    Eyriwaen Zirhmusyn
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    Hyperion
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    Scholar Lv 90
    I just play on controller and use the dpad to go through the party list
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    Stratus Kloud
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    Ultros
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    White Mage Lv 39
    Well I was thinking of swapping F1 - F8 to Shift QWERASDF and just watched a video of a guy doing just that. Tried it out a bit. It felt awkward but it does free up the mouse for movement. Alternatively I can target click or mouseover click. This feels way better to me but limits some movement to keyboard. I think either method can work in PvE.
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  3. #13
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    Liam Harper
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    Zodiark
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratus9 View Post
    I considered mouseovers but I heard they aren't as efficient in FFXIV due to the way macros register spellcasts or something like that. Mouseover macros are a staple to MMORPG healing for sure as well as click-to-cast which I use in WoW. That generally always requires add-ons, which of course there will be none in FFXIV.
    They aren't as efficient because you can't queue them and if you try to macro instants onto another ability they have a 1 sec wait inbetween by default. One reason I dislike swift+raise macros. They're fine enough for ST heals and probably one of the very few "acceptable" combat macros, especially if your reaction time is slower than the fraction of a second you lose from being unable to queue. You don't ST heal that often in most content anyway.

    If you go with mouseover macro, make sure you only put the /ac "ST heal" <mo> line in your macro (not counting /merror off or /micon), don't try to be fancy and add a <t> line at the end to try to make it default to yourself or a target in the case of no mouseover, it'll just mess up and heal you 90% of the time.
    Also fill every spare line of your macro with the /ac mouseover line to reduce the chance of it not registering.
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  4. #14
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    Ea Sin
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    Faerie
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Like the person above me said, healing single target spells are perfectly fine to make mouseover macros for. Follow his advice.

    The reason macros are generally discouraged are twofold. 1) They don't queue properly so you lose out on a few milliseconds which make them simply unusable for DPS spells because a few milliseconds every gcd means a lot of dps loss over the duration of an encounter. 2) They don't guarantee order of execution within the lines of the macro, so if your macro has 3 lines of actions it could very well start on line 3 and skip line 1&2.
    For healing/mitigation/buffs this isn't an issue because you don't use them often enough in this game when optimized to take any serious hit due to time loss. It's negligible. But you need to make sure you only make single action macros to avoid 2). You can spam that single action within the macro though.
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  5. #15
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    Shurrikhan's Avatar
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    Tani Shirai
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    Cactuar
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    Monk Lv 100
    I use QWES. On one character I still use A and D (Legacy Mode, but with A and D as Turn Camera Left/Right), but on the other I relegated them to other functions.

    A quick note: You can backpedal even while in Legacy mode by holding QES together, if you need to do that while tanking to not disrupt your melee while moving mobs, though this is largely unnecessary now that you can attack, dodge, block, and parry against enemies directly behind you... somehow.

    Personally, I wish there was an additional Keybind option for "Flip Camera and Character Direction" after "Flip Camera" and for flip camera to be an available as a macro command. "Flip Camera" is nice for aiming Elusive Jump, but allowing for both at once would make Legacy Camera unnecessary for those who generally prefer Standard Mode but want Legacy Mode's backward movement.
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  6. #16
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    Nime Nisime
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    Brynhildr
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    Astrologian Lv 80
    Getting a mouse with a 12 button side pad helped so much. 7 of the buttons are for party member targeting, 3 of them are single purpose spell activation (lightspeed, rescue, swiftcast), 2 of them are dual purpose depending on whether or not shift is pressed (1 is malefic or gravity with shift and the other is a resurrection macro or /party resurrection time remaining with recast:Swiftcast)

    Then mapping some of the keyboard keys like the F1-F5 keys and other keys / combos you can hit without moving your hands for abilities, it's possible to be able to use every spell for your class without having to shift your hands off of movement keys, you can move, select party members, cast and look around independently of each other and only have to use the mouse pointer for earthly star / sacred soil / asylum.

    The only downside is that you have to buy a mouse like that and then practice with it ^^
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    Last edited by Synaesthesia; 04-09-2020 at 08:00 AM.

  7. #17
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    Ypatia Alethros
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    Tonberry
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Are you using mouse for movement so that you can more readily use actions? Mouse can be fast if it's freed up. You could shift your single target heals to surround the movement buttons, like Q E Z X F V G ` 1 2 3. In legacy W A S D is plenty control for movement while doing other things with the mouse. I basically never use mouse for movement in combat. For adjusting my view yes, but not exclusively. I also use the arrow keys for view changing when not using the mouse, because I mostly set damage actions to the numberpad. Even on top of moving my hand between keyboard and mouse a tiny distance selection can be really fast. But it's also a matter of where you leave your cursor. When I'm not using it I try to leave the cursor in a consistent place right next to the party list. However I do also often use T to select target's target
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  8. #18
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    Stratus Kloud
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    Ultros
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    White Mage Lv 39
    Quote Originally Posted by Lethros View Post
    Are you using mouse for movement so that you can more readily use actions? Mouse can be fast if it's freed up. You could shift your single target heals to surround the movement buttons, like Q E Z X F V G ` 1 2 3. In legacy W A S D is plenty control for movement while doing other things with the mouse. I basically never use mouse for movement in combat. For adjusting my view yes, but not exclusively. I also use the arrow keys for view changing when not using the mouse, because I mostly set damage actions to the numberpad. Even on top of moving my hand between keyboard and mouse a tiny distance selection can be really fast. But it's also a matter of where you leave your cursor. When I'm not using it I try to leave the cursor in a consistent place right next to the party list. However I do also often use T to select target's target
    This is how I would normally play, yes. I do, however, acknowledge that party targeting with keybinds can be useful. It depends on how many mechanics there are that require fancy footwork. It does feel good to move with the mouse and any DPS has the advantage of doing this without much thought to it. But, yes, keyboard movement tends to be sufficient for most PvE content in my experience. I'm only lvl 44 in FFXIV though so I've yet to see the interesting stuff.

    I'm not sure about party scrolling. I've never really considered that and suspect it doesn't have the most efficient target swapping capabilities.
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