Increase experience rewards from Fates

[kaynide]

I guess what I’d support would be that X minutes doing anything productive, but easy, should yield Y xp...

I would be very supportive if X included all non-roulette raids, fates, frontline and deep dungeon.

But I still think “harder” or “more effort needed” content (eg 4 man dungeons) should yield more xp, if that included solo or low-man fates, I would support that too...but I’m not sure what effect/toxicity would happen when “zomg too many ppl on this fate, you are causing our reward to go down!”

[Kalise]

4 man dungeons typically require the player to make an effort to get through them.

I'll have some of whatever it is you're smoking.

[kaynide]

I'll have some of whatever it is you're smoking.

So you are saying a dungeon like..say.. Doma is on par with 50+ people doing fates spamming their basic AoE skill?

[Bsrking5]

I think the xp is already in a good spot. I've already maxed all jobs and classes. Any change in favour of fates will negatively effect the balance of every other xp gain.

[TheMightyMollusk]

I'll have some of whatever it is you're smoking.

Some of them do take an effort to stay awake.

[Zwipp]

The problem here is when this was a thing, tons of people were flooding thanalan getting way way way above even roulette xp. Like 40-50 in a matter of hours as opposed to days. There was no soloing fates then and they finished in about a minute a piece...so fast. The result was no one would do dungeons, which SqE wants us to do and/or keep queues down.

Fates should be based on experience/hour (xp/h). And that xp/h should be based on dungeons xp/h. So no matter how fast you complete Fates, you will never exceed dungeons xp/h.

Example:
Dungeons: 100% xp/h
Fates Regular/Solo: 80% xp/h
Fates Full PFParty: 85% xp/h

Also note the 70 jump is possible for 1 job only...

That's not true, I have actually done it on 2 jobs on my alt.

and while technically true you can get carried as a DPS if the other 3 are good..don’t expect to be able to do that as booting for not trying is a thing. Trying to get good/advice=good, just being sloppy and uncaring in dungeon is basically trolling/wasting other people’s time.

In the end it all comes down to the player behind the keyboard, if they want to learn, they will learn, if they don't, they won't. But I feel like this is another discussion.

But I still think “harder” or “more effort needed” content (eg 4 man dungeons) should yield more xp, if that included solo or low-man fates, I would support that too...

Dungeons doesn't really get hard until 71 so I'm not sure I can agree that they are "more effort needed". At least not before 71. Most tactics and what not in the old instances are mostly harmless. (Rarely causes wipes.)

but I’m not sure what effect/toxicity would happen when “zomg too many ppl on this fate, you are causing our reward to go down!”

From what I mentioned above, they won't lose any xp/h, only for the current Fate to keep it balanced.

[Halivel]

Also note the 70 jump is possible for 1 job only...and while technically true you can get carried as a DPS if the other 3 are good..don’t expect to be able to do that as booting for not trying is a thing.

I guess you mean that a skip book upgrades only 1 class at once, but still - you can boost all of them (except GNB and DNC which are new, and BLU which has diffenerent leveling scale). It just will be expensive (and imo not worth the saved time).

Apologies on that, I hadn’t realized they removed the limit/restriction.

There never was one..? At least I don't remember it being a thing tbh.

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As on topic itself, FATEs in at least Stormblood and Shadowbringers actually seem to be more or less worth the time, especially with their EXP Boost buff system. When 5.0 dropped quite a lot of people ended up getting their 80 just on FATEs while they were doing their "60 FATEs for every zone" clears. Maybe it can be adapted for ARR and HW in some way too.

[kaynide]

That's not true, I have actually done it on 2 jobs on my alt.

Apologies on that, I hadn’t realized they removed the limit/restriction. 2 years ago it seems.

[Seraphor]

It's true, the Shadowbringers FATEs are really good for EXP, almost comparable to dungeons, and the bicoloured gemstones are useful for getting some hard-to-get materials.

[kaynide]

There never was one..? At least I don't remember it being a thing tbh.

Was around 4.1 that they removed it, apparently.