Mogstation taking another step to the darkside

[Gemina]

It should be understandable that some don't want to earn things that way in a video game.

Also breaks some kind of immersion when you pull out your real life wallet to get specific item in the game.

This game is pay to play, dude. You can break your 'immersion' at anytime just by looking at your bank statement. It is most certainly not pay to win, which is what your argument implies. Not one thing in that cash shop affects your ability to earn things in the game by playing the game.

[SamRF]

This game is pay to play, dude. You can break your 'immersion' at anytime just by looking at your bank statement. It is most certainly not pay to win, which is what your argument implies. Not one thing in that cash shop affects your ability to earn things in the game by playing the game.

You said yourself that buying a cosmetic from Cash Shop is equivalent of "earning" it. If you were able to earn it ingame without Cash Shop it would also be "earning" it but then with ingame mechanics instead of real life currency. Where does my argument imply pay 2 win?

Paying to get access to the game is different than paying for a particular item in Cash Shop when speaking immersion.

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

By your logic of how a business works, there's no reason why this game wouldn't be BDO + subscription right now with obvious p2w mechanics. The reason that isn't the case is because there will be a massive exodus of players when SE would implement something like this, so it would be a bad business decision to do that. You could use the same reasoning with deciding between having a Cash Shop or not. A game may consider charging higher subscription (e.g. 20$/month) with the promise of never implementing a Cash Shop and may attract more players that way, since there are players who want to have such principle in their game. It's all about supply and demand.

If SE lets Cash Shop go out of hand, it will also perhaps lead to a player exodus and less players joining the game and thus it would have been a bad business decision if money lost by player decline is greater than the extra profit from Cash Shop. You can see what me and others are trying to do by being overly critical is warn SE that we will be dissatisfied and will leave the game if this does go out of hand. SE will thus perhaps be more inclined to be careful and not walk that fine line between players leaving and Cash Shop profit.

I'm sure forum complaints will indeed have minimal impact though so you may have a point with that. All else you said are cheap bashing arguments that sound eloquent but are empty of merit. I'm sure you're well aware that nobody cares about this game enough to feel entitled on actually deciding its direction. We're simply giving feedback (and our reasoning behind it).

Honestly, you're just whining at this point. You're not being critical. You're arguing for the sake of arguing. "All else you said are cheap bashing arguments that are empty of merit" yet admitting that you said has any merit whatsoever? You're acting like this is the end of the world that there's a cash shop. Get over yourself. SE will do what they want with or without your input. Go vote with your wallet and stop playing if you're so against it, but you're not going to find another MMO to play. They all have cash shops. GLHF.

[SinisterJoints]

So you're part of the 'It's optional' crowd. Fair enough. In a game that has glamour as true end-game wanting to like your best is not optional. It's part of the intended experience.

It it wasn't SE would just release the same looking gear with different stats. If nobody speaks out against these practices they'll continue to tighten their grasp. It's common business sense. Look no further than EA or Nintendo's (clumsy) steps over the years. It has happened and has been documented countless times and yet... here we are. It's sad, really.

Also, what does least intrusive even mean? I'm paying for the game and a subscription. This isn't F2P. Goes to show how indoctrinated people already are. That stuff wouldn't have flown 15 years ago.

And yet it existed 15 years ago. Just because you pay a sub doesn't mean an MMO isn't allowed to have a cash shop. The game is not advertised as "endgame is glamour" The endgame is whatever YOU want it to be. If that happens to be glam, well then so be it. If it happens to be raids, then so be it.

Don't like the cash shop? Don't buy the items, like any other adult

[SamRF]

Honestly, you're just whining at this point. You're not being critical. You're arguing for the sake of arguing. "All else you said are cheap bashing arguments that are empty of merit" yet admitting that you said has any merit whatsoever? You're acting like this is the end of the world that there's a cash shop. Get over yourself. SE will do what they want with or without your input. Go vote with your wallet and stop playing if you're so against it, but you're not going to find another MMO to play. They all have cash shops. GLHF.

Looking back I shouldn't have make it seem like I called you a potential shilling fanboy so my apologies for that. Other than that I'm simply giving my opinion and feedback on this matter so we may respectfully agree to disagree cause we're not changing anyone's mind by bashing each other.

[Payadopa]

Don't like the cash shop? Don't buy the items, like any other adult

It's a forum created for giving feedback. Why do I have to explain myself to you again? lol I'm not buying it. Mainly out of principle. I'm in the fortunate position to be able to buy the whole cash shop twice over if I wanted to but history has shown us time and again where that thinking leads us. Nowadays publishers expect us to pre order after we've seen a logo or a pre rendered trailer only to give us a broken product (FO76, just to name the worst).

And may I remind you that SE actually did that with 1.0? lol I'm as grateful for YoshiP as the next player but that doesn't excuse everything.


Just because XIV isn't there yet in terms of greed doesn't mean I should applaud them for only screwing me over a little bit.

Anyway, actions speak louder than words, true, so I'll put my money where my mouth is, still not buy it and retire from this thread.

Have a good one, peeps.

[REPROBEAN_CHILD]

iT hAs nOtHing tO do WiTh tHe eVenT

You guys need to cut SE some slack, small indie dev company is bleeding for some cash is all.

It has nothing to do with the event, because they didn't create it for the event. If you're compelled to own the mount, just because Spriggans were known to be apart of if it, is totally on you.

[Ranaku]

Actually it's great that we have a way to spend a bit more money on a game we love while getting something back for it. Other games sell you lootboxes, here you get what you pay for and want.

Honestly i think SE treats us consumers really fair compared to other MMOs, in BDO you pay 50 bucks for a glam, in WOW you pay also a fortune for stuff like namechange, lvl boost and so on. For me XIV never felt like a cashcow, all the stuff from the shop is optional and not a gamechanging thing.

So yeah, a company strangely wants to make money and sorry to tell you fellas but your sub doesn't pay for the world, sadly. If SE starts to sell us lootboxes and glams for 50+ bucks i can start to understand such complains.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

It's a forum created for giving feedback. Why do I have to explain myself to you again? lol I'm not buying it. Mainly out of principle. I'm in the fortunate position to be able to buy the whole cash shop twice over if I wanted to but history has shown us time and again where that thinking leads us. Nowadays publishers expect us to pre order after we've seen a logo or a pre rendered trailer only to give us a broken product (FO76, just to name the worst).

And may I remind you that SE actually did that with 1.0? lol I'm as grateful for YoshiP as the next player but that doesn't excuse everything.


Just because XIV isn't there yet in terms of greed doesn't mean I should applaud them for only screwing me over a little bit.

Anyway, actions speak louder than words, true, so I'll put my money where my mouth is, still not buy it and retire from this thread.

Have a good one, peeps.

Forums are created to do a number of things: Feedback is just one of many things. And if you have an opinion about 1 thing, there will always be at least one person on the Opposite end of your Opinion. Life works that way, people are individuals. And its weird that people like to act as if nobody should ever question or Challenge their Opinions and views, while expecting everyone to listen to and accept theirs.
Whats with the Flex by the way?

XIV did not screw you in ANY way, Im sorry but this is a childish thing to say over a Mount being put into a Premium Store.
Just, don't buy the mount if this "Principle" thats being flung around is so important. And I do hope you follow-through and are consistent about that.
Unlike the many people who threatened to leave over other issues and are still here as active players.

[Gemina]

You said yourself that buying a cosmetic from Cash Shop is equivalent of "earning" it. If you were able to earn it ingame without Cash Shop it would also be "earning" it but then with ingame mechanics instead of real life currency. Where does my argument imply pay 2 win?

Paying to get access to the game is different than paying for a particular item in Cash Shop when speaking immersion.

It comes from when people start talking about breaking out their wallets for cash shop items for things they want to have in the game while they play it. This argument would work if there were items in the cash shop that helped players win in the game. This is not the case though, which is why your argument implies it. It doesn't directly state it though, so please don't take offense to that as it is not intentional.

It is a weird argument to make in my eyes because how else are you going to make use of a cash shop item other than in the game? Unless you're proposing that cash shop be eliminated entirely, because that's just not going to happen. If you could earn everything through virtue of just playing the game, the subscription fee would skyrocket, and that isn't fair to everyone as optional items allow players choose how to allocate their disposable income. If at all.

The core of my own argument though is that they can put a RL price tag on anything that is optional. And if they do, the only way to get it is by earning the money to purchase it, or having it gifted to them. Spending real money on in game items seems to be demonized for some reason, and I don't feel it should be unless players indeed could use those items to get ahead in the game. I hope that makes sense.