Mogstation taking another step to the darkside

[Abelisk]

You don't need to pay anything but your sub, period.

Want to support Square Enix even further? Then consider buying their optional items! You get rewards, such as mounts, for doing so.

Again, it is entirely optional and avoidable. The fallacy of "must have it, I pay my sub" is just completionism.

[Alleo]

Anyone with half a brain knew that it was going to go way beyond old event items.

Oh of course, SE is a huge company and they love to milk their customers. Its just funny that at the time when the mog station was only used for old event items and some of us warned that this could open it up to more items we got shut down. And now when people dare to complain about having more and more items locked behind a paywall we are told off and should just accept it.

At such a time I just remember a few of Jim Sterlings videos and sigh about the argument that this is just something extra and you dont have to buy it.

Yoshi P has said before that the game's money doesn't always go back into the game. I think it is pretty obvious when SE's got a hot new title they're working on, the game suffers a bit. Unfortunately, the devs probably DO need whatever money they can get from the cash shop to keep pushing out content, because they definitely don't get the money and manpower they deserve. Still though, every business exists to make money, so a little greed is always a factor.

Why should we believe them? Are you telling me that its only thanks to the cash shop that we can get new content? How bad would that be for the game itself..we had over a million of active subs. Then the x amount of fantasia potions and other stuff..it would be a sad day if cash shop is necessary..its just extra easy to make money.

Yoshida is also part of the the board of directors at SE. He should be able to make quite some decisions.

In the end 99,9% of the time such a speech is just pure PR.

What are you talking about? The in-game event comes out on Monday. It's on the lodestone. We're getting 2 different bunny outfits, a stuffed bunny, and a poster.

The timing is weird but spriggans aren't necessarily spring themed and seems to be a higher quality than most non-mogstation mounts. Are we going to have this thread whenever a cash shop mount happens?

So spriggan is a character in that event and suddenly they introduce it as a mount around that time of the event..sorry but I 100% see a connection there.

And yes if people are annoyed by it they could if they want create a thread to every cash shop mount that gets released. I mean nobody is forced to read it.

[monk-dps]

You two are funny, I played F2P mmos for most of my gaming life. And you know what? Prices of cosmetics might be higher there but: 1- you're not paying a sub and expansion boxes on top of that, you're only paying cash shop and completely optional, so while you're playing a game for free might as well pay for what you get by giving something for the cash shop. 2- in most of those games (ex Tera, Aion) the cash shop items can be sold on the marketplace so they're also avalaible in game.
It's funny because I played Aion for many years without ever paying a cent, and I never lacked anything cause whatever I wanted from the cash shop I could just buy with in game currency. Then I gave back by buying a bunch of outfits on BnS, and no matter how overpriced they are it's still nill compared to having to pay subs and box prices. That's the whole point of cash shops in free to play games, it's their ONLY revenue, they're not charging you anything else.
Hell, in some f2p mmos, like Rift, you can even convert in game currency straight to cash shop currency.

So comparing a p2p mmo with f2p ones not only is apples to oranges, but it actually makes this game look worse, if it has to get down to the level of games that only get a revenue from cash shop.

Also, FFXIV players: gamour is the real endgame
but then: cosmetics can just be ignored.

You're still comparing them to FFXIV which I think is a bad move. Cause all of those games have something that XIV doesn't and never had. Lootboxes. XIV atleast lets you buy the item flat out and you always know what you're getting. SE isn't tricking you into buying 100 lootboxes because they hid one jacket in a loot box with a loot table of 6 random things when you only want a jacket. Then to top it off that jacket can be sold in the broker with ingame gold but since NOONE but one lucky jackass who brought like 1k lootboxes has ONE it's on sale for a trillion gold. .. Yeah I'll take SE's cashshop selling me the items directly anyday over that.

And people need to understand. Your sub doesn't pay for anything BUT to have access to the game. It is NOT paying for these extra mounts or costumes or anything else. Yours and my and everyones 14 bucks only gets us in the door. Nothing else.

[QT_Melon]

It sounds to me all you are doing is defending Square Enix's excessive pricing for optional items that could well be part of in-game events.


Without ruining SE's business, another solution for everyone to enjoy optional items would be if they slashed half the item's price after every year in the store, so it starts at 100% the price, one year later 50%, one year later 25%, etc. etc., I doubt many players buy DLCs after years in the Mog Station anyway!.

I have mixed feelings on this but will agree the pricing for SE on optional items is a bit on the high side - where I can go to another game with optional content (ex Monster Hunter World) and get them for much less.

I do know on the flip side that the optional items in SE to a degree take more work due to animation modelling on multiple character races.

My personal feeling is that mounts that are not account wide should be around 7-10 dollars (10 if they add different music or animations - because a majority of them don't even have that) and account wide 12-15 dollars USD.

Emotes should be around 3-5 dollars.

Outfits around 7-10

I'm not sure if the high prices are due to their credit - but they really should lower the prices if they want to curb RMT. As it stands right now the reason they have issues with chargebacks is due to RMT hacking other player accounts, and then reselling fraudulent items on ebay. If they want to curb this activity most will buy from the station if they were lower prices to begin with. 25 dollars for a mount is a bit excessive as well as some of the other base prices.

[Theodric]

Whether a price is 'high' or not is entirely subjective in the first place. Many of the players with a disposable income, who such items are marketed towards, aren't inconvenienced in the slightest by the current pricing. Those who are can potentially put money aside and save up over time in order to afford a particular item. They'll miss out on getting it right away, though if they really want something then waiting a while should be acceptable.

[Kuroka]

Oh of course, SE is a huge company and they love to milk their customers. Its just funny that at the time when the mog station was only used for old event items and some of us warned that this could open it up to more items we got shut down. And now when people dare to complain about having more and more items locked behind a paywall we are told off and should just accept it.

Exactly this. Idm random stuff like the Whale, i do mind clouds bike is faster by default but whatever... but the bunny like creature we've been gettin as a guest star since many years now IS just, idk, i dont like it. idm some insane grind for it but straight to the shop? At least give it a 30% discount during easter or smt >_>

[Moonlite]

No matter what you say they are not gonna stop or give people the option in game
The Mogstation team is different to main ff14 team and doubt they even take forum feedback.

It is a good thing the Dev team can't find enough staff. But the cash shop team can.

[monk-dps]

Oh of course, SE is a huge company and they love to milk their customers. Its just funny that at the time when the mog station was only used for old event items and some of us warned that this could open it up to more items we got shut down. And now when people dare to complain about having more and more items locked behind a paywall we are told off and should just accept it.

At such a time I just remember a few of Jim Sterlings videos and sigh about the argument that this is just something extra and you dont have to buy it.

I mean.. it's never going to go away, and it's not like the mount was going to be part of the event. Most likely the mog team were planning this to come out yes around the event. It's called marketing. And also yes, I'm pretty sure YP can't tell them what to make since that's not his team. The mogteam is completely different then the team he is actually in charge of. And Also yes, if the mogshop wasn't here you can bet this mount would NOT be here. As most of the things that are new that show up there are only there because the shop exist. That is the whole point of that store.

You can not like it but that doesn't change anything. The only way for the cash shop to not be here would be for our subs to increase because thats how it works. So I guess if you want your sub to be like 50 bucks then sure.

[MistakeNot]

Is it really entitlement to say "I would like the money that I pay to go towards content as a player?"

No, it is naivety. The money you pay for a sub only partially goes towards FFXIV content. Much of it goes to development of other games at SE. This is perfectly normal though - creating new games cost money, and that money has to come from somewhere - like existing games.

As for the mogshop - there have been unique mounts and cosmetics sold there for years now. Items you can't get in-game. So absolutely nothing new about that.

[Hysterior]

To me, mounts are purely cosmetics so I really don't care. Already have way enough.
There will always be whales buying them all so I don't see SE getting rid of them anytime soon. That's easy cash.