Mogstation taking another step to the darkside

[Moonlite]

If it was a loophole, then it wasn't something that enough people took "advantage" of (probably due to cost) for them to fix within that length of time.

And every company likes extra cash.

If you want to see what this loophole caused look for stormblood launch. Only when servers started to crash was aether able to progress the MSQ. They went from ok HWs. To pure disaster SB. which players had been saying was coming, but ignored because players know nothing. To extremely good Shadowbringers. Also remember when you look for the difference in launch more people play now then SB.



The time was a long time four years is a long time to fix an issue.


But I agree everyone likes extra cash. Most companies will see how far they can go before they have issues. If SE thought they could micro transaction us even more and not lose the dollars they already have they wouldn't even blink. Companies are designed to make money hero worshiping them is just odd. Do i find greed to be wrong, probably. Do I think anything is ever going to change. If you mean change get worse, then yes.

[linay]

If you want to see what this loophole caused look for stormblood launch. Only when servers started to crash was aether able to progress the MSQ. They went from ok HWs. To pure disaster SB. which players had been saying was coming, but ignored because players know nothing. To extremely good Shadowbringers. Also remember when you look for the difference in launch more people play now then SB.



The time was a long time four years is a long time to fix an issue.

I don't see how this alleged loophole has to do with the Stormblood launch when that affected every data center.

[Zomkei]

ehh, saying it was intentionally sabotaged out of greed is hyperbole imo. took them awhile, sure, but i’d chalk that up to incompetence more than sabotaging especially since they did try to fix their mistake. and about the greed thing, every company’s goal is to get money, they’re not doing this for charity.

[Divinemights]

There is really nothing to see here.
This type of topic always shows up every time there is a new items on the Mog Station
This doomsayer topic will be here again when next Chinese/Korean regional item on the Mog Station

[Gula]

There is really nothing to see here.
This type of topic always shows up every time there is a new items on the Mog Station
This doomsayer topic will be here again when next Chinese/Korean regional item on the Mog Station

Going to patiently wait for the next time one appears for this convenient post and for every argument here to basically say everything that will be said in the next.

[SamRF]

It has been several times mentioned that it only makes sense what SE is doing with the Cash Shop and that we aren't entitled to anything by paying for the sub and how this thread always shows up when new items get added.

I've kind of said this earlier, but I doubt anybody is actually feeling entitled to get anything, but is instead simply giving feedback on how the game should be according to them if it is to meet their satisfaction.

SE wants to make the best business descisions and things they have to take into consideration for making the right descisions is player satisfaction. These threads and posts critical of Cash Shop are players expressing their dissatisfaction which can be considered by SE as a sign to tone it down. If it won't be considered by SE anyway, then you can use that as your argument, but imo don't come with saying people are feeling too entitled for this or that or that the sub we pay is only meant for this or that and that we should be silent because it only makes "sense" that SE does this.

Thats the point though about complaining about it, changing what would make sense for SE by expressing dissatisfaction.

That's the point of feedback. Make counter argument against this feedback, give why you think Cash Shop should exist but don't come talking about rights and entitlement or such cause it's completely beside the point (imo).

[linay]

I doubt anybody is actually feeling entitled to get anything

If someone says that they've bought the game/expansion or paid the subscription fee and uses that as an argument for why they should not have to make additional purchase, then they are making an entitlement claim.

Make counter argument against this feedback, give why you think Mog Station should exist

An argument for why something should exist is only necessary if it doesn't exist. The store already exists.

but don't come talking about rights and entitlement or such cause it's completely beside the point (imo).

Well, your opinion is wrong because the very first post in this thread stated the point:

the point is after paying all this money to play the game now they are starting to gate seasonal items in the cashshop....Just wow.

So it is very much on point to argue if that sense of entitlement is misplaced (not that it's always the case).

[SamRF]

If someone says that they've bought the game/expansion or paid the subscription fee and uses that as an argument for why they should not have to make additional purchase, then they are making an entitlement claim.

An argument for why something should exist is only necessary if it doesn't exist. The store already exists.

Well, your opinion is wrong because the very first post in this thread stated the point:

So it is very much on point to argue if that sense of entitlement is misplaced (not that it's always the case).

I still see it as an opinion and feedback. The feedback and criticism is that there shouldn't be such Cash Shop in a game where you already pay for sub, and if there is, they are dissatisfied.

I get that it technically is a sense of entitlement, but what I'm basically trying to say is that the counterargument of "you aren't entitled to anything" as response to this is pointless, what's the even the point of giving your opinion or feedback then? You can ultimately respond that way to any kind of criticism. SE does what it wants in the end of the day and everybody is aware of that, the only way we "threaten" SE is by leaving the game, if its shown that we are dissatisfied there's a higher chance we leave the game.

You get what I mean? It's not so much about the technicality of this being about entitlement or not, but rather what is or isn't a productive argument for the discussion.

[linay]

I still see it as an opinion and feedback. The feedback and criticism is that there shouldn't be such Cash Shop in a game where you already pay for sub, and if there is, they are dissatisfied.

That's fine, but people can have a differing opinion and that's also giving feedback.

I get that it technically is a sense of entitlement, but what I'm basically trying to say is that the counterargument of "you aren't entitled to anything" as response to this is pointless, what's the even the point of giving your opinion or feedback then? You can ultimately respond that way to any kind of criticism. SE does what it wants in the end of the day and everybody is aware of that, the only way we "threaten" SE is by leaving the game, if its shown that we are dissatisfied there's a higher chance we leave the game.

You get what I mean? It's not so much about the technicality of this being about entitlement or not, but rather what is or isn't a productive argument for the discussion.

Well, first of all, being entitled is not necessarily a bad thing. The issue is what you are entitled to. So, I would not say that "you aren't entitled to anything," but I would say that "you aren't entitled to everything" just because you paid for the game and subscription.

At the very least, it deals directly with the stated reason for the feedback in the opening post.

[Melichoir]

It has been several times mentioned that it only makes sense what SE is doing with the Cash Shop and that we aren't entitled to anything by paying for the sub and how this thread always shows up when new items get added.

I've kind of said this earlier, but I doubt anybody is actually feeling entitled to get anything, but is instead simply giving feedback on how the game should be according to them if it is to meet their satisfaction.

SE wants to make the best business descisions and things they have to take into consideration for making the right descisions is player satisfaction. These threads and posts critical of Mog Station are players expressing their dissatisfaction which can be considered by SE as a sign to tone it down. If it won't be considered by SE anyway, then you can use that as your argument, but imo don't come with saying people are feeling too entitled for this or that or that the sub we pay is only meant for this or that and that we should be silent because it only makes "sense" that SE does this.

Thats the point though about complaining about it, changing what would make sense for SE by expressing dissatisfaction.

That's the point of feedback. Make counter argument against this feedback, give why you think Mog Station should exist but don't come talking about rights and entitlement or such cause it's completely beside the point (imo).

The issue is were not seeing feedback or critiques. Were seeing a lot of misplaced rage and demands and bad faith argumentation. Feedback and criticism require some thought and care. For example, Good feed back would be like this: "The recent changes to the bard class dont work and are resulting in x, y, and z". X, Y, and Z are things we can track to a fairly decent degree. Things like DPS output, ease of play, synergy with other classes, etc. Therye more concrete and things we can address and change. They also dont resort to name calling or impuning the character of the Devs or SE. Theyre not calling SE evil P.o.S cause they made changes to bard. It's understood that SE is attempting to fix or address a balance issue and that it may not have came out the way it was hoped. Devs are human afterall. This is feedback, and proper critiquing.

This is what were seeing "Oh My god! How dare SE and the devs put crap on the Mogstation! I should get it for free. I deserve it cause I pay a sub. This is them being greedy as F and trying to take my money from me! Screw this! They should immediately change mogstation and give me that mount. Just Horrible that they want to charge money for this. Greed jerks!"

That isnt feedback. That isnt critiquing. While it is voicing a person's dissatisfaction with something, its done in the worst way possible and makes no effort to udnerstand SEs position and resorts to name calling and placing hte worst possible characterization on SE, and demands a solution that is purely for the benefit of the person speaking. That isnt a critique. its a rant. Its a outpouring of vitriol and anger. And its entitlement based on the conclusion that the person Deserves something more for simply being a standard paying customer.

You want to seriously discuss pricing and what shows up on mogstation, thats fine. But it requires a reasonable position as well as understanding and debating counter points. If people just clutch to "My opinion and point is the only correct one and if you disagree, youre just licking SEs boot", well that's not gonna fly with a lot of people and wont solve a damn thing. SE should ignore anyone who comes in here raving about "They deserve x, y, or z from the mogstation cause they have a sub." because it isnt feedback.