Switching jobs while in a duty

[Saccharin]

No way. Enough toxicity/selfishness as it is.

I had cutter's cry the other day and the tank and healer were wrongly geared, and didn't do their job quests. Left after four wipes on last boss. Both one shotted with the same repeated mistake each try.

Example from other MMO: In WoW you can freely change your spec in a duty. Felt pretty good when your tank/healer left and you could take over their role by changing your spec.

And in WoW you get high gear chars rolling as tank so they get quick queues, and wipes due to people queueing as healer but going as caster dps.

[SamRF]

No way. Enough toxicity/selfishness as it is.

I had cutter's cry the other day and the tank and healer were wrongly geared, and didn't do their job quests. Left after four wipes on last boss. Both one shotted with the same repeated mistake each try.

If you had the ability to switch jobs inside a duty, you could have taken matters into your own hand and switch to a healer/tank to carry the group forward instead of having to abandon the duty.

[Saccharin]

If you had the ability to switch jobs inside a duty, you could have taken matters into your own hand and switch to a healer/tank to carry the group forward instead of having to abandon the duty.

Reinforcing bad behaviour is as bad as the bad behaviour itself.

[SamRF]

Reinforcing bad behaviour is as bad as the bad behaviour itself.

At least you got to finish the duty.

I don't really see it as reinforcing though. You'll likely already have criticized them in chat and they might feel embarrassed for you having to do their job for them.

[Razard]

If you had the ability to switch jobs inside a duty, you could have taken matters into your own hand and switch to a healer/tank to carry the group forward instead of having to abandon the duty.

And. What. If. You. Haven't. Leveled. Up. A. Tank. Or. Healer?

All this would do is force multiclassing and start fights at the beginning of the dungeon over who gets to be tank and healer. And you'd better be well versed on what classes are considered the best AoE in the game for all those pesky adds between the bosses and have it leveled and geared as well as your main. A main which you will be forced to change as the other guys sit indignant at the boss door as your main is either a) already taken by the other dps Or B) is considered, ahem, "not Meta" and will be asked to change to a different Job.

It's just faffing about when I just want my goddamn tomes, man. Keep that Toxicity out of Roulette and leave it in the PF where you found it. I'll take the minimal talking over that.

[SamRF]

And. What. If. You. Haven't. Leveled. Up. A. Tank. Or. Healer?

All this would do is force multiclassing and start fights at the beginning of the dungeon over who gets to be tank and healer. And you'd better be well versed on what classes are considered the best AoE in the game for all those pesky adds between the bosses and have it leveled and geared as well as your main. A main which you will be forced to change as the other guys sit indignant at the boss door as your main is either a) already taken by the other dps Or B) is considered, ahem, "not Meta" and will be asked to change to a different Job.

It's just faffing about when I just want my goddamn tomes, man. Keep that Toxicity out of Roulette and leave it in the PF where you found it. I'll take the minimal talking over that.

What's the difference between this behavior and simply kicking a player because their job isn't meta? No one would consider doing that. Really don't see Duty Finder care about "meta" or double jobs in normal content to extend they will kick a player or start arguing.

[Razard]

What's the difference between this behavior and simply kicking a player because their job isn't meta? No one would consider doing that. Really don't see Duty Finder care about "meta" or double jobs in normal content to extend they will kick a player or start arguing.

Only because you don't have stuff like your suggestion to force this on people. And players will force this on people.

By the way, this was a feature in the dungeons of 1.0. And they where worse for it. Everyone played Black Mage till boss then swiched to Monk then back to Black Mage. You HAD to have these classes leveled or you where not invited.

I'd rather this game not fall off the cliff that WoW is currently swan diving off of thank you very much.

[SamRF]

Only because you don't have stuff like your suggestion to force this on people. And players will force this on people.

By the way, this was a feature in the dungeons of 1.0. And they where worse for it. Everyone played Black Mage till boss then swiched to Monk then back to Black Mage. You HAD to have these classes leveled or you where not invited.

I'd rather this game not fall off the cliff that WoW is currently swan diving off of thank you very much.

I mean people usually don't even say anything when PUG healer refuses to dps for example (which can easily be seen by everyone and is obviously not meta play). How would they force people? Threatening with kicks? Also not sure what you mean with "not invited", does this mean they will kick you if you don't have those 2 jobs leveled? Do you really see people doing this in FFXIV right now over something like that?

[Razard]

I mean people usually don't even say anything when PUG healer refuses to dps for example (which can easily be seen by everyone and is obviously not meta play). How would they force people? Threatening with kicks? Also not sure what you mean with "not invited", does this mean they will kick you if you don't have those 2 jobs leveled? Do you really see people doing this in FFXIV right now over something like that?

Yes. Yes I do.

Healers who don't dps? What are you blithering about? It's cause fights aren't built with healer dps in mind maybe? Although thanks for bringing that up as I can add that to the "stuff you don't have to do but is enforced by the playerbase". Thereby successfully proving my point. You don't have to dps as a healer, just like you won't have to change classes under this new theoretical system. Buuuut it will make the run 10 seconds faster so hands tied I guess.

You overestimate people's capacity for understanding. Currently the only thing stopping people from kicking people left and right is the classes being balanced enough so that time you lose kicking and waiting for a new person isn't worth it.

And once again this system is detrimental to people who do not multiclass. That's even before we get into the gearing issue.

[CazzT]

What's the difference between this behavior and simply kicking a player because their job isn't meta? No one would consider doing that. Really don't see Duty Finder care about "meta" or double jobs in normal content to extend they will kick a player or start arguing.

What you're asking for doesn't involve the meta equation. Meta doesn't become a thing until you're in content where switching job is already allowed.