Lets talk about the Savage Gear Weekly Restrictions

[Kaliesto]

So the restrictions I know are in place to stop players from curb stomping their content within a week, but how about they do it like this?:

You can clear savage by job weekly restriction:

For each job role you cleared for the week they're automatically given a piece of gear if the Boss happens to drop said Gear and you can switch to another job role to clear the same boss for that week to get another piece of gear, and so for the following:

Maiming Set (7 Weeks for all gear)
Fending Set (7 Weeks for all gear) + 1 for Paladins due to shields
Scouting Set (7 Weeks for all gear)
Striking Set (7 Weeks for all gear)
Aiming Set (7 Weeks for all gear)
Casting Set (7 Weeks for all gear)
Healing Set (7 Weeks for all gear)

All accessories on the right side (5 Weeks if you're doing the first Tier Savage Raid which is usually where the accessories tend to drop).

Now the items that drop to help augment your gear will remain as they are as random coffer drops, and everyone has to roll for.

The Books can remain as they are as 1 book per weekly restriction.


Not only will this help increase activity with savage raiding for the day. but it will encourage players to try other jobs for Savage Raiding.

Also the RNG coffers is just horrible by design just to get a piece of gear, there is no reason to punish the players like that and force them a extra week if they didn't get anything.


I think 7 weeks is long enough for Savage content if you're consistent, and it shouldn't be artificially extended as it is currently.

[ErryK]

People have been requesting this kind of system since ARR days, it's not going to happen.

[SinisterJoints]

The loot system was changed once already and its wayy better than it was before. coffer system makes sure you aren't stuck waiting X amount of weeks for X piece to drop (it used to be all RNG)

If anything I would say keep it as it is and make the books farmable (and maybe increase the amount needed). So at least you have to work for it.

The only downside I think is it will just kill the content quicker in PF.

[KageTokage]

The new loot system annoys me simply because if you're not in a static, there's a very reasonable possibility you'll get RNG screwed from repearedly losing rolls to people who are needing coffers for off-class.

It took me 12 weeks to get my weapon and chest armor from ES4 thanks to a ridiculously bad streak of luck.

I much preferred having to fight drop RNG as opposed to roll RNG personally.

[JohnnyDevo]

The new loot system annoys me simply because if you're not in a static, there's a very reasonable possibility you'll get RNG screwed from repearedly losing rolls to people who are needing coffers for off-class.

It took me 12 weeks to get my weapon and chest armor from ES4 thanks to a ridiculously bad streak of luck.

I much preferred having to fight drop RNG as opposed to roll RNG personally.

God I hate this misconception.

All this change did for pugs is roll all the RNG into one neat little package.

Previously, you were still under the whims of two layers of RNG. The first is whether your item drops in the first place, and the second is whether you win the roll.

There are: Striking, Scouting, Maiming, Aiming, Casting, Healing, Fending. 7 sets. So for DPS, assuming there's no set duplication, you had a 1/7 chance of getting a drop in your class. The new system moves this to 1/8. This is the only way the RNG is worse for anyone. And it's by 1.78%. in other words, 98.22% of the time, this new system is the same for if and what piece of gear ends up in your inventory.

For literally everyone else in the party, namely the 4 people who happen to be healers and tanks and sometimes the two dps that share a set, you have a 1/7 chance of getting a drop in your class, and then have to deal with a 1/2 chance to win the roll, putting your chances at an abysmal 1/14. The new system raises this to 1/8. An improvement by 5.35%.

So for dps who don't share, the raw numbers got a little bit worse. For the majority of people who do share, the numbers got much better. And finally, there's the far more important aspect, in my opinion: It's much less likely for a piece to be wasted.

I honestly don't see how anyone can legitimately believe the old system was better.

[QT_Melon]

The new loot system annoys me simply because if you're not in a static, there's a very reasonable possibility you'll get RNG screwed from repearedly losing rolls to people who are needing coffers for off-class.

I'm a bit confused how are people NEEDING on an off class? I thought it was need only in your class unless lootmaster changed it?

[Vaer]

I'm a bit confused how are people NEEDING on an off class? I thought it was need only in your class unless lootmaster changed it?

It's mostly coffers that give you gear based on the job you open them on like the ones they give you on quests now. So you can play whatever job you want, then outside open the coffer on the job you want the gear on. So everyone can need most of everything unless they already are weekly locked out.

I don't think this will happen though, the alternating odd patches are supposed to be for gearing alts. (You should be done with tome for one job after 3 months, then you get the upgrade item and use the tomes on another job) So if they give you this extra gear people will drop out more during the "catch-up" patches. Unlocking it/removing the restrictions sooner than they do now would be cool though.

[QT_Melon]

It's mostly coffers that give you gear based on the job you open them on like the ones they give you on quests now. So you can play whatever job you want, then outside open the coffer on the job you want the gear on. So everyone can need most of everything unless they already are weekly locked out.

I don't think this will happen though, the even patches are supposed to be for gearing alts. (You should be done with tome for one job after 3 months, then you get the upgrade item and use the tomes on another job) So if they give you this extra gear people will drop out more during the "catch-up" patches.

Right, so its generally much later in patches, not sooner. That's why I was confused. Most people are still farming for their main class in weekly lockouts. ...and "farming" is loose since once you clear a floor you're locked out anyways, until later.

That's why making this argument is not good and confusing at best.

I mentioned "not in a static" because a static will make sure everyone actually has their BIS before they allow free rolls, and by "off class", I mean a job the player is not actually raiding with.

This argument still doesn't hold unless you're talking about later in patch cycles where people have already gotten enough on their main. PUG or otherwise.

[KageTokage]

This argument still doesn't hold unless you're talking about later in patch cycles where people have already gotten enough on their main. PUG or otherwise.

I'm...not sure what you're trying to argue either unless you're fine and dandy with people needing coffers for a class they don't actually use for raiding with zero consideration for how geared the others in their party are.

[Vaer]

Right, so its generally much later in patches, not sooner. That's why I was confused. Most people are still farming for their main class in weekly lockouts. ...and "farming" is loose since once you clear a floor you're locked out anyways, until later.

That's why making this argument is not good and confusing at best.



This argument still doesn't hold unless you're talking about later in patch cycles where people have already gotten enough on their main. PUG or otherwise.

That depends on what you consider fair really. So let's say I win the waist earrings and ring on week 1. So I have these on healer now. On week 2, 3 and 4, I keep rolling on them while playing healer. I can't get the healing items a second time without being completely wasteful, so technically I'm rolling for alt jobs.

In a pug, anything goes though. I wouldn't ask people to pass but that's just me though. They helped complete it, used their weekly lock and it's a dice roll anyway.