Petition to Increase Old Alliance Raids' Difficulty

[Sesera]

Got ST again today



Once again I have people below 60 in my Alliance.

[Seraphor]

Just got WoD again queuing as a level 59, so no ilvl cheese this time.

[Seraphor]

You can spin it however you like; but this thread, it's responses, arguments within, those trying to see all sides and so forth all stems from the impact of ilv cheesing the aliiance raid roulette. No statistical data is required on the frequency players are getting CT raids opposed to any other, because we already know its happening.

Speaking for myself, I don't always get LoTA or ST. I do in fact get the others as well. But my argument has never been, "I always get the CT raids!" However, I have expressed that I get them often enough that I will avoid the roulette in order to avoid the chance of having to run either of those instances that day. If the roulette was indeed more random, this mentality would never set in. My argument has always been ilv cheesing the alliance raid forces players into one of two instances, and the players doing it are inconsiderate and selfish.

But what other data do you need? What data do the devs need to see that this is a problem? I can accept constantly getting CT raids out of shear dumb luck if I knew not one player in the alliance has the power to force it. If the devs ever come out and address (remedy) the issue, my trap will be one of the first ones shut.

The problem is you're inflating the issue far beyond its actual impact.
If you don't always get LotA or ST, chances are what you're seeing is the natural allocation due to all the players under level 60.
Even if they did something to address this, it would likely change nothing, you'd still see LotA 40% of the time, ST 30%, WoD 20%, and everything else combined making up the last 10% of the time.
You'd still be just as irritated with the roulette, and still wouldn't run it.

The devs most certainly DO need data to know whether or not this needs addressing, because of that confirmation bias, because as I said, it's all hearsay.
It's akin to blaming all those immigrants for the ills in the world, when the figures show that they make up a tiny proportion of the population, and actually make up as much in tax they pay as they claim from society.
Wild speculation, and populist hysteria. You only think it's a huge problem, because everyone keeps bringing it up in topics like this and it's continuously at the forefront of your view of the roulette.

[Lumivyory]

None of you are saying anything that contradicts what I said because I didn't say that people can't manipulate the roulette. It's a factor, but it's not the only factor that will give you a CT raid because there are people who don't manipulate the roulettes.

Yeah but all these people affect the roulette so much that chances of getting LotA and ST are probably about 80-90% right now.
All of us here are not just seeing things, the amount of times we get these two raids is ungodly.

[Seraphor]

Yeah but all these people affect the roulette so much that chances of getting LotA and ST are probably about 80-90% right now.
All of us here are not just seeing things, the amount of times we get these two raids is ungodly.

Every time you get one of these raids, check your party for a level 5X character, and check the other two alliances for a character with a level 5X weapon (or lower) after the duty has commenced.
If you find even one, then that was a natural roulette.

[SoleilAlphi]

the devs should just move all of the crystal tower raids in their own roulette, call it Legacy Alliance or something. I'm also tired of getting them 99% of the time. Since Shadowbringer launched I got Orbonne a grand total of 5 times., and that's with in progress option checked..

[SamRF]

Every time you get one of these raids, check your party for a level 5X character, and check the other two alliances for a character with a level 5X weapon (or lower) after the duty has commenced.
If you find even one, then that was a natural roulette.

Depends on how roulette algorithm works tbh. A lvl 50 player* might get faster queue because of people cheesing while different players would have gotten priority otherwise. Idk how roulette works but I'd guess some kind of priority system that gets more lax as wait time increases.

[Gemina]

The problem is you're inflating the issue far beyond its actual impact.
If you don't always get LotA or ST, chances are what you're seeing is the natural allocation due to all the players under level 60.
Even if they did something to address this, it would likely change nothing, you'd still see LotA 40% of the time, ST 30%, WoD 20%, and everything else combined making up the last 10% of the time.
You'd still be just as irritated with the roulette, and still wouldn't run it.

The devs most certainly DO need data to know whether or not this needs addressing, because of that confirmation bias, because as I said, it's all hearsay.
It's akin to blaming all those immigrants for the ills in the world, when the figures show that they make up a tiny proportion of the population, and actually make up as much in tax they pay as they claim from society.
Wild speculation, and populist hysteria. You only think it's a huge problem, because everyone keeps bringing it up in topics like this and it's continuously at the forefront of your view of the roulette.

The size of the problem does not matter in my eyes. I would let go of the "size" of the problem as it seems you are the one who is focused on it. I am merely pointing out that the issue exists, and it's more about principle than anything as no individual should have the power to manipulate the roulette system to weed out instances they do not want to run. This is what I want fixed. My comments in my last post should have reflected that my issue with this is NOT the frequency these two instances come up.

If we truly wanted to focus on the size of the problem and how minuscule you are placing this issue, it should be known that big issues grow from a rooted smaller problem that was not taken care of or noticed in time. But I don't want to go there because no one has a crystal ball to see into the future with. But it is a warning I hope they'll "harken" to, as this game would say.

If I was a dev, I would need any data at all. As soon as I knew that one player could force this crap, I am taking care of it right then and there.

[linay]

Yeah but all these people affect the roulette so much that chances of getting LotA and ST are probably about 80-90% right now.
All of us here are not just seeing things, the amount of times we get these two raids is ungodly.

Your experience was never in question. The only point of showing my experience is to show that the roulette still works without negating your experience. What is in question, then, is if your experience warrants the change that is asked in this thread.

[TheMightyMollusk]

I mean, the original topic was about the difficulty of the raids, not the roulette itself, but I think we lost that part of the conversation a few pages back.