Petition to Increase Old Alliance Raids' Difficulty

[linay]

Pretty much anyone who's posted here who wants it to remain the same. They all admit they aren't doing it because it's fun, they're doing it because they want the rewards, and the first two options get them those the fastest.

Yeah, so as I said, apparently that's enough to keep the content alive for them.

Hey, guys, we can argue all we want about how many people would like the change or not. The issue here is none of you have evidence or data to back yourselves up. This is the point of the strawpoll I put in the original post, to provide at least some data. I fully recognize that this data isn't even close to 100% reliable because of where it's posted, the small data set, and the nature of online polls, but at this point, it's the best we have right now.

Here's a link to it: http://www.strawpoll.me/19547195/r

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While I don't have any data, I expect SE does. My argument is that if they don't see a need to change it, then it must be doing well enough for them not to change it.

That doesn't mean you can't request a change, but I think it's problematic to say that it's for the new players or whatever. Request a change for your own sake, but don't try to represent other people which are diverse enough that some may agree with you and some may not.

[Lumivyory]

And who's to say they're not fun for other people?

Please, point me in a direction of at least one person that finds spamming 2-3 keys for 20 minutes fun.

[linay]

Please, point me in a direction of at least one person that finds spamming 2-3 keys for 20 minutes fun.

Uh, me, I do it every time if the roulette puts me in a low level duty. It adds variety to my usual max level rotation. Sometimes I just want to press fewer number of keys.

That said, it doesn't really matter. The point isn't to prove to you that someone can find it fun, but to offer the idea of why SE may not agree with you. The simplest answer is that other players might not agree with this thread's request, and when taken as a whole, it may not be worth it to make the change. If they find it worth it, then I'm sure they would.

[Derio]

I think its the rewards. All the alliance raids outside of the crystal tower series needs their rewards doubled. Because I dont think they can stop the ilvl cheese anytime soon.

What is the point of running a 35-1 run compared to a 15 minute run of a crystal tower raid for the same xp. Variety? Perhaps, but maybe it time to divide the alliance raid roulette, to low level and expert.

[MomomiMomi]

Yeah, so as I said, apparently that's enough to keep the content alive for them.

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That doesn't mean you can't request a change, but I think it's problematic to say that it's for the new players or whatever. Request a change for your own sake, but don't try to represent other people which are diverse enough that some may agree with you and some may not.

And what's wrong with representing people who don't have a choice or a voice? I was a new player at a time, I know what it's like to be a new player and have a horrible experience that I wouldn't others to have a repeat of. Experiences like the Praetorium and Castrum, which are things that I once asked to be changed because it's not a fun experience to have to choose between playing the content or watching the cutscenes in a single run. Thankfully, they changed that. That roulette was "working for them" as you call it. Queues were still being filled. Clearly, the roulette doing its job of filling queues wasn't enough.

I still hope they'll change Msq roulette even more, as I said before in this thread, by making it into a solo duty. This isn't for myself: by making this change, they would be removing a roulette that I actually do. But that roulette is still not a great experience. I think the only thing more anticlimactic than Castrum and Praetorium is Thordan.

One can ask for the removal of the ilevel cheese but I doubt they'll put dev time into making the roulette different than they already are.

The only thing they have to do to adjust this content to make it so that mechanics appear again is to adjust the ilvl sync. By adjusting it to what the max ilvl was around the time that the content came out, you can add most mechanics back to the content.

Removing ilvl cheese should also be done of course, which shouldn't be too hard either. Make it mirror mentor roulette: you must have the ilvl of the highest content you can do to queue for it.

[linay]

And what's wrong with representing people who don't have a choice or a voice? I was a new player at a time, I know what it's like to be a new player and have a horrible experience that I wouldn't others to have a repeat of. Experiences like the Praetorium and Castrum, which are things that I once asked to be changed because it's not a fun experience to have to choose between playing the content or watching the cutscenes in a single run. Thankfully, they changed that. That roulette was "working for them" as you call it. Queues were still being filled. Clearly, the roulette doing its job of filling queues wasn't enough.

The fact that Praetorium and Castrum Meridianum were changed supports my point. If SE thought there is a need to change how Crystal Tower raids work, they would.

Also, the fact remains that Praetorium and Castrum Meridianum are still easy dungeons to do. The change was not about how the fights were done, but only about seeing the cutscenes, which is not a problem in Crystal Tower.

[MomomiMomi]

The fact that Praetorium and Castrum Meridianum were changed supports my point. If SE thought there is a need to change how Crystal Tower raids work, they would.

It took them 5 years to fix that roulette. Them not having done it doesn't mean they won't.

[Lumivyory]

Uh, me, I do it every time if the roulette puts me in a low level duty. It adds variety to my usual max level rotation. Sometimes I just want to press fewer number of keys.

I understand your point about using less skills being a nice break from a more complicated high level rotation but I would love to see that being accompanied by something else.
I wouldn't mind using less skills if we at least had more things happening aka the mechanics that we nowadays skip.

[linay]

It took them 5 years to fix that roulette. Them not having done it doesn't mean they won't.

And I didn't say they wouldn't. But the idea that everyone hates that Crystal Tower is easy is clearly wrong, and SE has almost always made contents easier, not harder. So I wouldn't expect this change to occur, not that it's impossible.

I understand your point about using less skills being a nice break from a more complicated high level rotation but I would love to see that being accompanied by something else.
I wouldn't mind using less skills if we at least had more things happening aka the mechanics that we nowadays skip.

I understand, and I wouldn't be opposed to having more mechanics be preserved for old content, but it is what it is.

[CazzT]

Make the higher difficulty an option, and sure, I'll support that. Increase the difficulty of the roulette? [Censored] NO! If I want that kinda of challenge I'll do current content or create a sync'd PF group. Don't screw up roulettes more than they already are.

It took them 5 years to fix that roulette. Them not having done it doesn't mean they won't.

They didn't "fix" Castrum and Prae. They made it obnoxious. I went through both prior to the cutscenes being unskippable. There was no feeling of needing to choose between watching the cutscenes or running with the group, and I was a PLD. I never encountered a group that made sprouts feel like needed to keep up with the group or skip cutscenes, and I had hundreds (possibly over a thousand) of runs during that time. It was not something that needed to be "fixed". It wasn't broken. It is now, though.