This savage is getting really headache inducing...

[Colt47]

I've never seen a raid tier where people are turning into adamant fanboys of a particular clear strat over understanding mechanics before and I have no idea what the heck is causing it.

Last tier people could pug through the savage eden tier roughly okay. This tier, there are groups of people that are basically trying to get through Fulmination savage and seem to just be adamant on either Circle Strat or Triangle strat, when the only thing that matters is that you have a minimum of 3 people alive on a particular side juggling a freaking lightning bolt.

The result of this has been group after group basically wiping to this mechanic, or wiping to something like Step leader, because they are rigid in how they want to do the mechanic to the point of blowing themselves up. What's more, this is happening to groups of people that have literally seen the enrage!

I don't know what to say to people, but everyone needs to stop adhering to rigid strategies before even mastering the survival aspect. No PF group that is running practice or duty completion can afford to be trying to be rigid on CL positioning. FYI, this isn't even getting into the later fights as it seems like this same kind of rigid behavior has been going on all the way to E8.

[technole]

Triangle is the easiest, and almost in a way it seems how the developers designed it. The healer stays in the small "penalty box" lines drawn on each side of the arena, never has to move, can simply do damage/heal. The other two just come closer not losing any boss uptime.

[RyuDragnier]

Triangle is the easiest, and almost in a way it seems how the developers designed it. The healer stays in the small "penalty box" lines drawn on each side of the arena, never has to move, can simply do damage/heal. The other two just come closer not losing any boss uptime.

Most seem to do a different variation of that triangle. I've constantly been seeing melee told to stay on the boss for uptime, and healers and ranged compensate for it. If it's going from melee to ranged, the healer stands away so they don't take it, ranged gets it, runs back to healer to pass it, then healer runs up to the melee to pass it. Repeat.

[technole]

Most seem to do a different variation of that triangle. I've constantly been seeing melee told to stay on the boss for uptime, and healers and ranged compensate for it. If it's going from melee to ranged, the healer stands away so they don't take it, ranged gets it, runs back to healer to pass it, then healer runs up to the melee to pass it. Repeat.

It'll depend on party comp of course, but in this scenario just assuming two ranged and two melee. But the x3 triangle is actually rather simple, the lines on the map kind of guide the healer box, which I bet most don't even notice exists.

[Colt47]

Most seem to do a different variation of that triangle. I've constantly been seeing melee told to stay on the boss for uptime, and healers and ranged compensate for it. If it's going from melee to ranged, the healer stands away so they don't take it, ranged gets it, runs back to healer to pass it, then healer runs up to the melee to pass it. Repeat.

Triangle is basically the half room strategy minus the tanks. I have no idea who came up with the circle strategy.

[DevilsDontFly]

Triangle is basically the half room strategy minus the tanks. I have no idea who came up with the circle strategy.

I personally like the circle strat I do with my static because the way we do it, ranged and heals stay stationary just DPSing while tanks and melee move left-right to pick the chain lighting from whoever has it and deliver to the next person. Healers don't have to slide-cast, star/bubbles reach everybody and so does aoe heals. Healers and casters don't have to slidecast, and the mechanic basically plays itself for you since it's going on a circle around the boss.

But that's just me.
While I was pugging I saw a high failure ratio with triangle over circle.

[Lilseph]

Triangle is the easiest, and almost in a way it seems how the developers designed it.

It depends. Circle is significantly easier to deal with as a Healer because you're putting everyone within healing range of both healers. All the healer bubbles (Asylum, Sacred Soil, and Earthly Star) work extremely well here because it can cover the entire area around the boss' hitbox and letting the Healers forgo using GCD healing.

[technole]

It depends. Circle is significantly easier to deal with as a Healer because you're putting everyone within healing range of both healers. All the healer bubbles (Asylum, Sacred Soil, and Earthly Star) work extremely well here because it can cover the entire area around the boss' hitbox and letting the Healers forgo using GCD healing.

Everyone is in healing range in the separate triangles. You can still throw soils, fairy, star, etc and everything provided the healer is in the boxes drawn on the platform.

[relhsur]

Everyone is in healing range in the separate triangles. You can still throw soils, fairy, star, etc and everything provided the healer is in the boxes drawn on the platform.

Most pugs don't squish in that much in my experiences and with circle it's less healing needed because it's split 8-ways instead of 6-ways. I can't see any reason to favour triangle over circle unless you're a f-ing sadist towards your healers or just being lazy and don't wanna learn a new strat.

.. or you're a greedy BLM.....

[Enla]

Most pugs don't squish in that much in my experiences and with circle it's less healing needed because it's split 8-ways instead of 6-ways. I can't see any reason to favour triangle over circle unless you're a f-ing sadist towards your healers or just being lazy and don't wanna learn a new strat.

.. or you're a greedy BLM.....

This, circle is insanely easy to heal and as a SCH I sacrifice barely any uptime at all on the boss due to my oGCD's covering most of the healing.