Dear Physical Ranged DPS and..

[gambanner]

I'm a happy DNC main and I'll let my SAM do the big d damage for me :>

[Dfess]

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So who made you the voice of SE? I don't see yoshi p's english voice written anywhere in your bio. It makes me wonder how WoW has all those dps fighting for top parses. Nerfs and buffs will come and go in any game. And before you say, "you can't compare this game to WoW, it's a completely different game." This game is WoW's direct competitor and comparisons should be drawn. But, when all is said and done this game is easier than WoW. The fact that it's "illegal" to parse is contribution to that because lazy people who don't want their feelings hurt. I mean honestly the savage community are the only people I really admire since they have the gonads to try and push their abilities as high as they can.

[Kalise]

This is because boosting physical ranged dps damage equates to adding cast times to their attacks

Heavy Shot: Potency changed from 180 to 190
Split Shot: Potency changed from 180 to 190
Cascade: Potency changed from 250 to 260

Hey would you look at that, I figured out how to increase their damage without adding cast times to their skills!

Unless you mean that because they don't have cast times, they cannot have reasonable damage?

*Laughs in SMN*

If positionals were to be removed, the damage of melee DPS would need to be lowered, as this is a mechanic that this role is specific to and is what gives it even the ever most slight complexity.

*Looks at DPS charts*

*Laughs in BLM + SMN*

Healers...

So long as you fail to keep dps and tanks alive because you refuse to cast or use a "GCD" heal/shield to push more damage, Square-Enix should not, and I encourage them -to not- add complexity to the healer role.

Uhh...

Most deaths come from DPS/Tanks messing up and eating a one-shot mechanic to the face. Since that's how they design encounters. You're either 100% life or 0% life. Outside of the Tank/Raidbusters that can easily be healed with oGCD's.

GCD healing isn't going to do anything against one-shots.

[Synaesthesia]

Asking for things to be even more simple, makes the game more and more boring.

Also while I'm here...

Healers...

So long as you fail to keep dps and tanks alive because you refuse to cast or use a "GCD" heal/shield to push more damage, Square-Enix should not, and I encourage them -to not- add complexity to the healer role.

So, you think the game should be more complex because otherwise it becomes boring but at the same time you wonder why there might be some disinterested healers in duties failing to keep you alive? Maybe it's because a lot of the best ones are now playing something else in non challenging content in order to feel entertained. People are who are going to push DPS buttons first will do it whether they have 1 button or 5. Your statement is both contradictory to your other views and basically has no impact in the end beyond making you seem like you're happy to just throw salt on every healer because you've had bad run ins with ones that didn't work out for you.

[Deceptus]

Also while I'm here...

Healers...

So long as you fail to keep dps and tanks alive because you refuse to cast or use a "GCD" heal/shield to push more damage, Square-Enix should not, and I encourage them -to not- add complexity to the healer role.

As a healer: I have no problem keeping tanks and heals alive despite every effort they make to purposely ignore mechanics thinking "I'll Adjust". After so many vulnerability stacks, they're going to be one shot.

[Dogempire]

To be fair, I wouldn't mind low damage as much on machinist if there was actually some utility to justify it.

Dancer has technical step and can pocket a dps, which is especially useful if the dps is really good, Bard has party buffs which I don't need to explain why that's good, and machinist gets low selfish dps that's high enough to beat people who don't entirely understand their class but low enough that any competent non-ranged can outdps you.

[Miminming]

even if MCH dont have any utility its still on top in pyshical ranged RDPS, yes RDPS which mean including utility already, so buffing only MCah at this point is kinda wrong... if any BRD and DNC should be buffed to have more closer RDPS to MCH, ...if not more (because MCH can ignore other member to dish out their best rdps while DNC and BRD need a more strict teamplay for that)

saying damage buff utility blabla is pointless if you look at RDPS... the include that in the number already...

[SturmChurro]

Hate to break it to you, but the healers who push damage (read: healers who are actually participating and contributing instead of twiddling their thumbs) generally aren't the ones wiping groups. They care about playing optimally and usually know their toolkit inside out and how to use it efficiently.

The "pure healers" are interestingly enough usually bad healers. I've seen many low damage healers who are overhealing like crazy, afk at critical moments, panicking over any damage and missing half their key abilities.

Yep, generally that is exactly how it is. My cohealer will be over here standing still, casting aoe heals when everyone is topped off and no mechanics are going to be going out, and casting heals if someone loses 1% health PLUS casting a regen if they are WHM.

Uhh...

Most deaths come from DPS/Tanks messing up and eating a one-shot mechanic to the face. Since that's how they design encounters. You're either 100% life or 0% life. Outside of the Tank/Raidbusters that can easily be healed with oGCD's.

GCD healing isn't going to do anything against one-shots.

Yeah. The only time I really actually have to break out a cure 2 or whatever is when everyone in the party is taking so much damage I run out of heals to keep people alive, or I have to solo heal because of dead cohealer. People horribly failing mechanics.

[Averax]

even if MCH dont have any utility its still on top in pyshical ranged RDPS, yes RDPS which mean including utility already, so buffing only MCah at this point is kinda wrong... if any BRD and DNC should be buffed to have more closer RDPS to MCH, ...if not more (because MCH can ignore other member to dish out their best rdps while DNC and BRD need a more strict teamplay for that)

saying damage buff utility blabla is pointless if you look at RDPS... the include that in the number already...

DNC and BRD don't have to do anything extra. Their utility is mostly baked into their damage rotations. Bards have to sing no matter what, it's part of their rotation. Dancers have to dance no matter what, standard step and technical step are their hardest hitting abilities.

You suggest making MCH effectively a straight up loss to bring along, but the reason it needs to do more damage is because that's all it brings (and a damage reduction skill). It needs to bring enough of its own damage to make it appealing enough to take up a slot reserved for a dancer or bard.

DNC and BRD are competitive because they raise everybody else's damage instead of doing a bunch themselves. The extra damage they make people do is counted towards their personal damage.

[Kraniel]

So you opened this thread because you were playing an extremely complex DPS class, and while you were too busy with all the complex stuff, you didn't dodge an AoE, and died because the guy who was playing an extremely easy healer class wasn't on their toes to insta-Rescue you out of it ? :////