Has anyone done the math on Skyward points?

[AnimaAnimus]

So if you need 500k skyward points in each DoL and DoH to get the new mount at the current rate, if my math is correct, at level 80 that would be:

2858 turn ins per DoH at lowest collectability rating (175) for a total of 22858
625 turn ins per DoH at highest collectability rating (800) for a total of 5000

14286 Min and Bot turn ins for 28572 total at 35 per turn in, which is the highest you can currently get.

2858 turn ins for fish or 317 if you happen to get those 2 big fish worth 1580

This can't be right... please tell me I am missing something or my math is just completely wrong... I mean this grind is insanity if its true, esp if the only reward is a mount.

[zeopower6]

500k doesn't really seem too bad if after today people are already at 5-10k on each gatherer. Also need to keep in mind I think the Skyward points extends to phases even after this, so it's for the long haul.

Crafterwise, I think they pretty much are requiring to do expert crafts and get about the 5k-6k when turning in. Like with the gatherers, I think it's meant to be for the long haul so it's gonna be over the next year or so.

[AnimaAnimus]

500k doesn't really seem too bad if after today people are already at 5-10k on each gatherer. Also need to keep in mind I think the Skyward points extends to phases even after this, so it's for the long haul.

Crafterwise, I think they pretty much are requiring to do expert crafts and get about the 5k-6k when turning in. Like with the gatherers, I think it's meant to be for the long haul so it's gonna be over the next year or so.

You also much consider that the 10k just today has day 1 factored in and there is a total of 1.5m points needed between the 3 gatherers so even if they are able to get 10k points every single day on each of the 3 gathering jobs, that is still 2 months and lots of hours of daily grinding.

Crafting is much worse seemings there is 4m worth of points needed total and the highest reward I saw was 800 for a green turn in with 6k collectability, which I assume is the expert ones.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for long term goals...but the reward needs to be worth it.

I was totally cool spending a year making a weapon in ffxi, since even 10 years later its still bis in many cases. But even if you can finish each craft at 6000 collectability in a minute, you are still looking at over 83 solid hours of crafting for a mount. And that doesnt factor in the gathering side either. It's kindda ridiculous.

Effort needs to be on par with rewards and this is clearly unbalanced in that regard. For instance, make the reward a house in Ishgard, and now we are talking about something much closer as being on par with effort.

If it were just a flat 500k total instead of 500k on 11 different jobs, that would be much more on par for a mount.

[zeopower6]

You can tell that it's a long term thing though from this. I don't think they would ever reward anything other than mounts/minions/titles/glamour from achievements anyway.

It's never meant to be done quickly and they probably want to keep people in Diadem so that it doesn't die, hence these kinds of things. Though I would not be surprised at all if they had to revamp it AGAIN for whatever reason.

[AnimaAnimus]

But it's more likely to kill it since the reward/effort factor will drastically cut down the amount of people who participate. I was all about getting just 500k and likely would have on all 5 of my chars eventually if it were for a mount since that isn't really all the unrealistic. But 5.5m points consisting of hours of daily grinding for a mount? no thanks, I got 7k points today myself because I thought the mount sounded pretty neat, but I am already done after I did the math.

Like I said, I hope someone can prove me wrong on the math and I love having goals, but rewards needs to be on par with effort. These are the types of long term goals that just kill the enjoyment and want of having long term goals. If this is the best they can come up with, they need someone more creative in charge of this sortta thing.

[Plastics]

The 500k achievements are cumulative, they're not time sensitive either, so you have forever to do them. Unless they remove Ishgard stuff entirely in the next expansion, you'll also be able to go back and easily grind them with new gear (e.g. macroable expert recipes for max collectability).

There's no need to go hardcore and rush them, it's just something to work towards for months.

[Alleo]

You can tell that it's a long term thing though from this. I don't think they would ever reward anything other than mounts/minions/titles/glamour from achievements anyway.

It's never meant to be done quickly and they probably want to keep people in Diadem so that it doesn't die, hence these kinds of things. Though I would not be surprised at all if they had to revamp it AGAIN for whatever reason.

There is a difference between a long term goal and this mindless grind. Honestly this reminds me of the horrible F2P Asia MMO grinds..getting a total of 500k for gatherers and 500k for crafters would still be quite the grind for anyone, even the hardcore crowd but much more reasonable. I am a bit shocked that they went that far here..all for one mount.

The 500k achievements are cumulative, they're not time sensitive either, so you have forever to do them. Unless they remove Ishgard stuff entirely in the next expansion, you'll also be able to go back and easily grind them with new gear (e.g. macroable expert recipes for max collectability).

There's no need to go hardcore and rush them, it's just something to work towards for months.

Someone that is doing this quite a bit might be done in some months but this is imo not doable for everyone else. Just the hours needed to grind for the mats and then the time needed to craft then (including the huge amount of crystals going into them). If you buy mats then you will need huge amount of gil too.

The problem is also that the older items got nerfed. Heck you cant even gather the old mats anymore. I hope that they keep the points as they are now and give us higher ones for the next steps but seeing how they nerfed the other ones? I really fear that each new step will nerf the old one into the ground. Which means that at the end only high end ones may be left and thus people will have to wait again until they are able to craft them.

[Canadane]

Someone had almost 200k points on fisher in one day.
If you grind only for points and nothing else, it's very feasable.

[RyuSaarva]

Someone had almost 200k points on fisher in one day.
If you grind only for points and nothing else, it's very feasable.

now that is clearly a bot who is in diadem 24/7 unless fishing earns you far more points than botanist or miner.

[Miminming]

fisher is also one of the easiest if you know what to do, the other? 10x longer