Viera, hairstyles and the lack of love.

[Payadopa]

Yeah, like some concepts or something. Something more substantial, anything.. that's for sure.

At the beginning I was more understanding. I don't like the current system at all and as a customer I was expecting a less rushed product but whatever. I had trust in YoshiP.

Nowadays my patience is waning. I recall him saying that designing/coding armour takes like half a year (at least). Hair can't be that different. It's been how many months now since ShB released? And still we get nothing? Not even a more substantial feedback as 'please look forward to it'?

Stop half-assing, SE. Either give it to me properly or don't bother. You're not an indy dev nor is this an early alpha.

At this point I'm actively wishing for a 2nd calamity come the PS5. lol Sorry for the rant, everybody. o/

[Darkpaw]

At the beginning I was more understanding. I don't like the current system at all and as a customer I was expecting a less rushed product but whatever. I had trust in YoshiP.

Nowadays my patience is waning. I recall him saying that designing/coding armour takes like half a year (at least). Hair can't be that different. It's been how many months now since ShB released? And still we get nothing? Not even a more substantial feedback as 'please look forward to it'?

Stop half-assing, SE. Either give it to me properly or don't bother. You're not an indy dev nor is this an early alpha.

At this point I'm actively wishing for a 2nd calamity come the PS5. lol Sorry for the rant, everybody. o/

Why the ps5? It would not change a thing. The ps4 isn’t limiting this game at all. It’s the mass majority playing on outdated pc’s/laptops. They stated that last year before Shadowbringers during the interviews for fanfests/media tour. So please don’t make that insinuation about the ps4 it’s blatantly false.

On the topic at hand. I get people being frustrated, but a few things. One while the dev team has grown it’s still not even remotely close to the largest team in SE.

Two, they work on patches, new expac, and pet projects all at the same time and that is a lot of work.

Three, try to remember that a handful of devs spent their free time making what headpieces they could work for Viera and Hrothgar, and many of those same people are doing the same thing again and potentially even for hair styles. So be patient and just remember they have said even recently that they are aware and they are working on it.

[SturmChurro]

Unfortunately it's kind of just an illusion that we have a lot of styles. Of the 17 total, there are only actually 8 unique shapes. Not sure how that stacks up to the other races... but we actually even have a style with three variations on the exact same general hair shape. One adds a tiny bit of bangs, the other adds that metal 'helmet' (the only other difference on the helmet one being it seems to have very slightly more volume?? It's almost unnoticeable though). Every other style is doubled with a slight variation.

And the style I'm using clips pretty badly into our shoulder while idling xP Luckily most gear hides that pretty well but it is kinda funny seeing a spike just poke out of my collarbone sometimes.

Compare to the 51 total hairstyles I can use on fem Miqo'te. Only 6 of which are duplicates if I'm counting correctly... I see one style with four variations, and three with two variations (headband style, Y'shtola style, pigtails, and the long one that comes with optional bangs).

So 8 "unique" styles vs. 45 - and that's at character creation, not the aesthetician.

Yeah. That's exactly how it is, bangs or no bangs. The clipping is a HUGE issue with viera hairs. they definitely will frequently stab through your body. Still, I like your hair, and the viera styles I like, I really like.

51? Wow.. that really puts it into perspective how many hairs viera don't have..

At the beginning I was more understanding. I don't like the current system at all and as a customer I was expecting a less rushed product but whatever. I had trust in YoshiP.

Nowadays my patience is waning. I recall him saying that designing/coding armour takes like half a year (at least). Hair can't be that different. It's been how many months now since ShB released? And still we get nothing? Not even a more substantial feedback as 'please look forward to it'?

Stop half-assing, SE. Either give it to me properly or don't bother. You're not an indy dev nor is this an early alpha.

At this point I'm actively wishing for a 2nd calamity come the PS5. lol Sorry for the rant, everybody. o/

It's going to be longer too! I really hope we see something soon for viera/hrothgar. Even if it is just a WIP.

[Alleo]

Just because it is not posted everywhere does not mean that the information is not out there. A google search, a cursory look at these forums, the subreddit, even going back to view old streams. This information is readily available.

Yeah information might be out there but should people really have to search for this for who knows how long for a statement that was translated by fans thus could even be wrong? I mean I once searched for Yoshidas statement regarding the main story and I could not find it again. Having a post that is official from SE and also translated by them would help that. People wont have to go to x websites in the hopes of finding some little bit of information or watch hours long streams.

[BunniEclair]

i don’t think it’s too far fetched to think that SE would want to work on fixing the “fantasia to change your hairstyle” issue first before starting in on new hairstyles for either race. One of them has a glaringly bigger problem. However, that this takes the form of “hrothgar resentment” is extremely unfortunate. It is not Hrothgar players’ fault that this design decision was made, and the game would be lesser in their absence. I want male viera and viera hair, but not at the expense of our cat dads. TT^TT

I do see a bit of resentment, though, from players regarding the viera that makes me laugh. “The dev team didn’t even WANT to make viera, so just take what you get an shut up!” Like....if the creative team really didn’t want viera in the game....they wouldn’t have put them in. Players want a lot of different things and it’s up to the team to decide what is the best fit for their vision and ultimately put their foot down if it’s not what’s best for the game and the players. Not saying the devs don’t ever push themselves to do stuff just for the players’ sake regardless of what they personally would rather spend time on, but I see some people act as if viera enthusiasts personally went to SE HQ and held them at gunpoint while they cried and put bunny ears on a hyur. The team has been toying with the concept for a while, and they certainly wasted no opportunity to use them as a successful marketing tool to get attention for the expansion.

Anyway...I don’t understand why anyone who plays viera would want the ears to disappear with headgear like miqote. I have the shortest ears possible in the fluffy style, and you still could not smash those bad boys under ANYTHING without it being weird. Also I’ve seen mods of no ear viera and it’s....weird, yall. At least that’s my opinion. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If they can fix the hroth fanatasia problem, then start giving us hairs, things would be golden with both races I think. Not all headgear works, but some does, and I can live with that. I think most viera players are much the same. I see way more griping about the hair issue than the hat. I think because they were pretty upfront about the hat situation from the beginning. I do wish they’d make race alternatives for headgear similar to male/female alternatives on certain stuff but I get it’s probably not that easy.

I really hope they get this sorted soon!

[Payadopa]

Why the ps5? It would not change a thing. The ps4 isn’t limiting this game at all. It’s the mass majority playing on outdated pc’s/laptops. They stated that last year before Shadowbringers during the interviews for fanfests/media tour. So please don’t make that insinuation about the ps4 it’s blatantly false.

On the topic at hand. I get people being frustrated, but a few things. One while the dev team has grown it’s still not even remotely close to the largest team in SE.

Two, they work on patches, new expac, and pet projects all at the same time and that is a lot of work.

Three, try to remember that a handful of devs spent their free time making what headpieces they could work for Viera and Hrothgar, and many of those same people are doing the same thing again and potentially even for hair styles. So be patient and just remember they have said even recently that they are aware and they are working on it.

Funny you assume that I blame the PS4. I just think it would make a good starting point. I'm a 'console scub' myself.

Also, I said it once and I say it again. SE is not an indie dev. To apply the same standards as for someone who made... I dunno... Stardew Valley? is insane.

And lastly, patience, my friend, is not unlimited. IF they are planning on changing something there must be at least concept art ready. But we're not even getting that.

So.... no. I'm almost done being patient. Sorry, not sorry.

[reivaxe]

Yeah information might be out there but should people really have to search for this for who knows how long for a statement that was translated by fans thus could even be wrong?

The most recent statement from the PAX east stream was live translated by Koji Fox lol
Many if not all of their statements on this topic are official translations from interviews or QnAs posted on this very forum.


How people interested in character design details aren't interested in watching a 2ish hour stream with the lead character artist and Yoshi P is beyond me.

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

Funny you assume that I blame the PS4. I just think it would make a good starting point. I'm a 'console scub' myself.

Also, I said it once and I say it again. SE is not an indie dev. To apply the same standards as for someone who made... I dunno... Stardew Valley? is insane.

And lastly, patience, my friend, is not unlimited. IF they are planning on changing something there must be at least concept art ready. But we're not even getting that.

So.... no. I'm almost done being patient. Sorry, not sorry.

They already said they're working on it. If you can't be patient, then I don't know what to tell you. You'll get it when you get it.

[zeylos]

Square Enix,
Can you please make a statement on this? Do you have any intention of releasing new/old hairstyles for Viera? I would love to play a viera but the lack of customization is beyond infuriating now. We've been begging since 5.X landed to at least have access to the Modern Aesthetics hairstyles as some of these are legitimate rewards from certain content (PotD, etc) and Viera players cant even use them. Nor is their any indication to warn the player that it isn't usable on their race should they proceed with buyingcertain hairstyles via wolf marks, MGP, etc.. It is just expected that the player know this.
But to top it all off, I dont understand why brand new hairstyles that had to be created for all the other races too some how dont apply to Viera? Why is that? I understand why they cant be used for Hrothgar, and thats a whole other ball game, but seriously, Viera faces are not any different from Miqote or Au'ra really and yet those races get access to the new hairstyles.

I realize this has been asked countless times before but its quite frustrating as a player to not have any word from you as to why this issue even needs to exist.
Please tell us verbatim: do you have plans to add these in the near future; yes or no?

(To my fellow players, excuse my frustration and rant, but we're all thinking it and it needs to be said as many times as is necessary until we get an answer)

ya'll here complaining but a tleast think that you can actually play with the race and gender you desire. Also, you do know that eventually something will come. We are left absolutely in the dark waiting to have a response in the next expansion which is still mroe than 1 year away, and we dont even know if we will get anything then

[myahele]

They also said they be making more egi glamours years ago, but we haven't gotten one since the 1st batch. Although to be fair they at least did release egi glamour, so I can see them release some hairstyles in the future and maybe a new face for Hrothgar that they'll have to pay to use.