When I run dungeons as paladin sometimes I secretly hope the healer will die because I like getting to bust out clemency to try and keep myself and dps alive lol.

Don't give up! You're almost up to Shadowbringers!
Unless you have a rezzer or clemency, there's not a whole lot that you can do if your healer dies early. It sounds like your healer should maybe choose a DPS role to fulfill during group content instead of healing.


The first time I ran Ghimlyt Dark about a month or so ago, I didn't really have trouble. *Maybe* 1 wipe on the last boss. Also, if the wipes were usually because of your healer dying, you need to get a better healer. (Or if the healer is pulling aggro off the tank, get a better tank.)



If you wiped ten times in Ghimlyt Dark you're gonna need more than echo.
Sometimes you get bad groups.
While it's probably there for a good reason, I hate the idea of echo in general. When I fail a duty I want a rematch to prove party is capable of doing it after perhaps explaining/learning mechanics or just playing more concentrated. Echo throws it in your face that you've failed and buffs you without giving you the chance for an honest rematch (wipe coud have been stupid mistake as well).
Echo should never be granted after first wipe imo, maybe after thrid wipe or something.


Indeed. I even had to raise like half of the team in a Eden normal run once, and like 2x during that fight i was raising healers and some dps. Oh and no comms :/
The player base this expansion seems worst then ever before, at least in my experience.
As for OP, just keep at it, you just had a bad group is all.

the echo isn't needed dungeons are already too easy


Healers bad enough to wipe repeatedly on dungeon content are extraordinarily rare. I've been playing since ARR release, and I've only run into ONE healer so bad we couldn't finish the dungeon. (Was a WHM, used nothing but Cure 3 and Stone 2 on our Wanderer's Palace run. We couldn't get past the first boss.)
When things like this happen don't get frustrated. Just requeue and try again.
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