Feedback on Expert Recipes:

[Liam_Harper]

I'm fairly happy where I'm at with these now, probably a bit of room for improvement on priorities but I'm consistently getting good results. The crafts definitely have rng involved, but you can still get reasonable results even with poor luck. I managed a 5600 after failing 7 Rapid Synths in a row and you can fail a good few Hasty Touches and still succeed if you're smart with CP.

I still feel that we're a bit too Pliant reliant and that Centered is a little too much rng. Also the crafts are a bit long for something we're meant to spam tons of. By nature the more steps you have, the more procs you get, so we end up dragging out each craft. But overall it's a positive for me.

The leaderboards aren't as crazy as I feared and I suspect it will only get easier to top as time goes on. Hopefully they expand this system beyond the leaderboard though.

[Rath]

I think this is a good first step. The "skill" required is just determening your preferred actions to use, then which actions to prioritize during each of the conditions.



Yes there is RNG involved, but it is your choices of which RNG actions or conditions you wish to use.

Hasty touch - at least 10 required after reaching 11 IQ through non-pt methods to obtain the minimum collectibility. 10 more to max it.

Rapid synth - after muscle Memory with veneration up it will give over 5k progress.

Patient touch - 2 successful pt to get 10-11 IQ for 12 cp.

Then you have your conditions. Normal, Sturdy, Centered, and Good.

What you do with each condition, and which RNG actions you use are up to you. I personally use all of the above and generally only use focus to fish as a last resort.

Other less RNG Heavy methods do exist, and I did this wasting co and doing these actions on w/e condition came up.

Mm
Manip
Ven
RS
IQ
Bsx3
Btx3
Manip
Wn2
ToTT
Btx7
HT
ToTT
Bt
ToTT
ToTT
Manip
Btx3
Observex5
HT
HT
Inno
GS
Byrgots on good, else short 3 touches.
BS
Final result was 4773.



Edit: Added pictures of both methods. Made them larger.

Below is trying out dual byrgots.

[Dan4077]

You are embarrassing yourself with all these aggressive posts of yours...wow. Why are you so mad?

Not embarrassing myself, only people that are doing that are ones like you who bring nothing to the actual discussion. Not one of you has actually made a point you just sit there and try to troll. So you aren't upsetting me you are just wasting your time. I been on the internet long time I already know this game you trying to play. I was looking for discussion but since people like you cannot do anything but point out assumptions and unsubstantiated claims. I give you the level of retort you deserve. If you want I can point you to the nearest playground where you can play finger pointing all day.

[testname]

See if you are unwilling to show/tell do not use it as an argument cause we call that unsubstantiated claim. Cannot come at me with, your doing it wrong there is a trick therefor you are actually wrong then try to use "self learning" as a wall to not show proof.

LoL? I am not gona sell You, the way to easy craft it. The content is fresh and I gona exploit it.

There are many approaches, many ways to make the item.

Personally I think 4500 points is very easy to achieve. I can aim 6k each time I craft.

I was nice, wishing To not argue and have nice day - but You are just trouble maker in here - at least You bump up the topic Thanks

edit:
actually today I did try if I can do 4500 with no food or tea, and yes, its more caring about cp, but still I crafted in wait for savage raid ( I didn't want to use different foods )

I really don't see any issue with those Expert recipes, would be funnier if they would add more things to play with, maybe two more new conditions, or whistle - I miss whistle - ;-;

[Irenia]

Their concern is if this doesn't remain an opt-in system.

I personally wouldn't want it in main-crafting without adapting how main-crafting structures its output (HQ or worthless)

Yeah, if this enters the main-space, we *need* tiered levels of success, where getting to some quality threshold will create an item that was worth making, but going further beyond will make it better.

Earlier in the thread it was suggested that higher grade items would make overmelding easier, which sounds nice to my ear. The only thing I worry about is the community at large forcing this into a pass/fail system, where the only 'good' items are the highest grade ones.

[Ryaz]

The current system isn't terrible but it is far too pliant reliant... the last craft I did I didn't see a single pliant until 94 steps in and by then I just gave up.

Meanwhile on another craft, I got like 5 plants in 10 steps so I was able to restore my durability, use manip + waste not and then 2 Prep Touches with Innovation up for big gains and 4 stack of IQ with only 5 durability loss. That craft hit max easy.

[NanaWiloh]

The new proc's are unique only to expert recipes they will not be added to normal crafting or Master recipes. Lastly the expert recipes are aimed at people who want a challenge if you dont enjoy a challenge then dont touch them that easy.

[testname]

The thing is, Durability on craft is no problem, try to play it instead to craft it, and have fun.

This was cool play, I didn't use Byregot's Blessing

[Caimie_Tsukino]

Here, I'm just gonna post my record of Expert Recipes results so far. It is data that can be used for considering the success rate of making a usable turn in, or calculating how much mats one would need to accomplish certain scores/scrips.

3943
4161
4912
Botched!
5093
-----> updated gear... from using i430 mainhand, hat, gloves and boots to all i460 left gear and i470 mainhand.
5475
6486
999 (pre-mature completion mistake)
6022
6486 (maxed quality)
6339
5477
5472
6486 (maxed quality)
6322
6486 (maxed quality)
6335
6002
5653
3798 (failed)
6486 (maxed quality)
6018
6486 (maxed quality)
6486 (maxed quality)
5856
4281 (failed)
6486 (maxed quality)
6486 (maxed quality)
6486 (maxed quality)
6310
6486 (maxed quality)
6486 (maxed quality)
6220
6486 (maxed quality)
6102
6361
5635
6392
5657
6486 (maxed quality)
5803
6486 (maxed quality)
6050
6486 (maxed quality)
-------> decided to use Match HQ instead of Blood Bouillabaisse HQ, and no longer use medicine.
5550
5696
6486 (maxed quality)
6233
3853 (failed)
5175
5670
6356
6486 (maxed quality)
6057
6129
4182 (failed)
4392 (failed)
6486
5376
5186
6308
6486 (maxed quality)
6012
5334
6486 (maxed quality)
6486 (maxed quality)
-------> resuming the use of Cunning Craftsman's Tea HQ in addition to Match HQ
5243
4869
6486 (maxed quality)
5729
6486 (maxed quality)
5448
6486 (maxed quality)
6486 (maxed quality)
Given up! (too many actions failed and no pliant for too long)
6486 (maxed quality)
6486 (maxed quality)
6242
6486 (maxed quality)
6186
Botched!
5216
5334
6094
6486 (maxed quality)
6486 (maxed quality)
6299
4267 (failed)
5304
4540
6174
6486 (maxed quality)
6181
6486 (maxed quality)
6349
5803
6308
6436
6486 (maxed quality)
6486 (maxed quality)
6486 (maxed quality)
5291
6486 (maxed quality)
4426 (failed)
6338
6270
5536
6486 (maxed quality)
6486 (maxed quality)
6486 (maxed quality)
5745
5011
6356
5024

[GarretStrongstaf]

I don't ever remember seeing a crafting thread that had so much negativity, or maybe I just don't spend enough time on the forums. Here, it feels like there is a lot of divisiveness (from some) without any real reason or constructive argumentation.

It is also obvious to see who actually took the time to do the work and the research on the new crafting changes and who just wants to scream and shout for the sake of it. I appreciate those of you sharing real numbers, graphs and support to the crafting community. You are appreciated.

Garret