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    Totomo-Omo's Avatar
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    Totomo Omo
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    Mateus
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    White Mage Lv 90

    Can we discuss how abusive the GM department is when it comes to 'Grief Tactics'? A

    A player on our server who has spawned and relayed more S Ranks than likely anyone else on our servers history was recently reported and warned for "Grief Tactics" in response to her resetting an S-Rank that SHE herself spawned and relayed to the entire community.

    She reset the hunt due to it being pulled early in order to give others time to get there.
    However, someone apparently decided to get together and report this player, and as a result, she received this warning against her account:



    I see things like this all the time, and it infuriates me to no end. Grief Tactics. While I acknowledge that some of these warnings are valid, I've seen many people get warned for Grief Tactics over the most ridiculous things. Kicking people who are harassing others in Novice Network, disrupting bots by trading them to prevent them from being able to teleport (yes, bots will sometimes report you and get you banned), among other things.

    It is probably one of my most hated things about this game at the moment. There is no accountability or real oversight on this. I have never seen a single person who has appealed a dubious "Grief Tactics" ban or warning and successfully have it revoked, no matter how much evidence has been provided in their defense.

    This kind of abuse by the GM department seriously needs to stop.

    I'd like to hear of any other dubious "Grief Tactic" bans others here have received, so maybe I can compile a list of these before sending it over to SE's corporate office in Japan, since nobody in the North American division seems to care at all.

    This likely won't go anywhere and is probably more of a rant than anything, but here you go.
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    Dustytome's Avatar
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    Fox Briarthorn
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    Sargatanas
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    Culinarian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Totomo-Omo View Post
    She reset the hunt due to it being pulled early in order to give others time to get there.
    There is no ownership of hunts and there is only pulling the mob, not pulling early. It's a courtesy to wait, not a requirement. While I do wish people would wait and it can be irritating when they don't, once it's pulled that's it.
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    Rowde's Avatar
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    Willig Rowde
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    Hyperion
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    Dark Knight Lv 100

    Learn...

    "Early-pulling" is not against the ToS

    Resetting monsters is.

    Live and learn.
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    KageTokage's Avatar
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    Alijana Tumet
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    Cactuar
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    I've done this several times, so I'm thankful nobody was salty enough about it to report me.

    Honestly, though, the "early" pullers are only half of the problem. If nobody actually follows up on their pull, they have no power, and it's not like anyone other then the tank needs to be hitting the hunt to get full credit, anyways. Heck, just spamming AoE heals on your party can get you full credit pretty easily.

    I've kind of resigned myself to that fact and try more to encourage the people who show up at hunts to not gratify the pullers then to reset the hunts now.
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    Last edited by KageTokage; 10-25-2018 at 08:15 AM.

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    Nich2710's Avatar
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    Leonidas Moonfang
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    Lich
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    Fisher Lv 80
    What if the pull is accidental? Mistakes happens... I should know. Messed up an s rank with a miss click..
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    Enla's Avatar
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    Crushing Fatigue
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    Balmung
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Nich2710 View Post
    What if the pull is accidental? Mistakes happens... I should know. Messed up an s rank with a miss click..
    Most of the people who pre-pull S ranks have a known history of doing so. There's several bad actors across the NA servers in particular who do it so regularly that they're names are fairly well known.
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    Rita1989's Avatar
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    Nenemi Nemi
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    Balmung
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    Lancer Lv 40
    It is against the tos though and if it's the person who I think it is, this is not the first time they had reports against them and I am guessing they decided to finally give them a strike.
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    Berteaux Braumegain
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    Balmung
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    How can you get reported by a bot? Are they learning!?
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    Player
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    Willig Rowde
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berteaux_Braumegain View Post
    How can you get reported by a bot? Are they learning!?
    I actually didn't realize this was something I could report ppl for. It seldom happens, but I have had ppl do it to me and then write /laugh or /chuckle or something from time to time. Mostly a trivial annoyance, though one player in particular kept doing it to me multiple times and was preventing me from getting to a node until I sent them a /tell "Are you finished?"

    Nice to know that in the future I don't have to bother with sending them a tell and can go straight to the GM report.
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    KageTokage's Avatar
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    Alijana Tumet
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    Cactuar
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    Ninja Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Berteaux_Braumegain View Post
    How can you get reported by a bot? Are they learning!?
    If you get reported by a bot, it means that either:

    1. It wasn't actually a bot.

    2. It was a bot, but their owner was monitoring it to see you trying to disrupt them. Not terribly uncommon as they're frequently being multi-boxed alongside someone's main account.
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    Last edited by KageTokage; 10-25-2018 at 08:48 AM.

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