SCH need buffs

[Brandedblade]

Its not about de-incentivize, its about what is better for raid dps. You should only use AF heal if there is no free heals to use and that will not change with a potency buff, because it should still be less than a healer offensive gcd. Otherwise your co-healer would have to spend a healing gcd to be a rDPS gain. Lets say, ED is now 220 potency. Its still less than malefic IV and glare, therefore its a rDPS gain to sacrifice it still. What I'm trying to incentivize is a greater reward for proper management, knowledge and practice with a fight.

Your explanation makes more sense now. However. I've been under the impression that the fact most aetherflow heals have a dps cost, and thus make other options look far more appealing, was the issue people as a whole have been having in the past few forum threads.

If not having an aetherflow dump makes the mechanic feel boring and wasteful, but having one that deals damage de-incentivizes using it for its primary purpose of healing. Then if anything the logical solution seems to be making ED cost neutral or flat out removing the damage on it, therefore minimizing the loss of dps while still giving the scholar a use for excess stacks that don't go into healing.

[Bobsmiaw]

If not having an aetherflow dump makes the mechanic feel boring and wasteful, but having one that deals damage de-incentivizes using it for its primary purpose of healing. Then if anything the logical solution seems to be making ED cost neutral or flat out removing the damage on it, therefore minimizing the loss of dps while still giving the scholar a use for excess stacks that don't go into healing.

Totaly agree.
This is what happen when you combine healing and dps into 1 skill or 1 resource.
You either use it for dps and throw away the heal, or keep it for healing and lose dps (WHM Assize and AST star).
In SCH case is worse because most of its healing share the same resource with ED.

[WaxSw]

Totaly agree.
This is what happen when you combine healing and dps into 1 skill or 1 resource.
You either use it for dps and throw away the heal, or keep it for healing and lose dps (WHM Assize and AST star).
In SCH case is worse because most of its healing share the same resource with ED.

And due to that combination Sch has something called "depth" you know that you AE heals are effective but you want to use them just when its strictly necessary while also keeping Aetherflow always on CD because otherwise you lose dps. All that makes AE and its heals a centric mechanic in the kit because first you want to know when you have to use your AE heals and second you want to plan them to maximize the uses of ED, everything works towards forcing sch to use their full kit and think in terms of that 1 minute cooldown that aetherflow has.

Remove the damage and you'll have 5.0 boring sch where aetherflow was an accesory mechanic, make it neutral and you'll de-incentivize the weaker but cheaper ogcd since they'll have the same cost as the stronger AE heals while also eliminating the importance of having AE on CD.

There is nothing wrong on having different costs and mechanics that can be used to dps or healing, that makes a job fun and gives it "depth" and its not like healers in this expansion have much of any those

[Volkaj]

No, you would still use ED to dump excess stacks in this situation. All reducing ED's potency would do is lower the opportunity cost of aetherflow heals and make them more appealing while still keeping its role as an aetherflow dump. Theres also the element of combining it with Ruin II for movement scenarios to offset the damage loss of Ruin II.

You'd dump excess stacks within Biolysis windows alone (+ 1 with swiftcast) every 30s.
My point still stands that it would still be Broil + Biolysis spam ad nauseam.

Totaly agree.
This is what happen when you combine healing and dps into 1 skill or 1 resource.
You either use it for dps and throw away the heal, or keep it for healing and lose dps (WHM Assize and AST star).
In SCH case is worse because most of its healing share the same resource with ED.

Let me introduce you to GCD heals. 1 GCD, can be used for either DPS or healing. Using a GCD on healing costs DPS.
Aetherflow heals are OGCDs, but they still have an opportunity cost through weaving and ED. Using an AF stack on ED costs DPS.

Having heals with different DPS opportunity costs gives the healing kit some depth. If ED was removed or made to deal no damage, then there would be no point to get rid of excess stacks. All OGCD SCH heals would basically cost the exact same: weaving windows. Wouldn't matter if you used Sacred Soil, Indom, Whispering Dawn or Seraph. Same cost, no depth.

If not having an aetherflow dump makes the mechanic feel boring and wasteful, but having one that deals damage de-incentivizes using it for its primary purpose of healing. Then if anything the logical solution seems to be making ED cost neutral or flat out removing the damage on it, therefore minimizing the loss of dps while still giving the scholar a use for excess stacks that don't go into healing.

Primary purpose of healing? As long as there is an ED around with some DPS potency on it it has the dual purpose of dealing damage and healing. Making ED do no damage makes it useless; what's the point of burning AF stacks for just more MP?

I cannot stress enough that Aetherflow heals having a solid DPS opportunity cost is a good thing.
Heals should not all be either OGCD with zero DPS cost (save weaving) or GCD.