Issues with Machinist design

[Cetek14]

I still think that main combo animations are a big flaw. Not the only one, as i described above, but i still can't understand why so many people defend it. "It's fantasy" is not an explanation. Machinists already exist in the lore, and Machinist job is not related to them at all. Again, where are the bullets and gunshots? Why we only flip around while shooting heat and summoning things?
Also people say that it's good to have one job with wild animations. Ok, but these animations don't suit Machinist. We simply need new job dedicated to that with fitting lore, and bring back soul to the Machinist. And also fix all other problems, because again, satisfying animations won't fix weird rotation.
I'm not attacking people who like that, because i understand why some people like it, but it doesn't work with Machinist at all.

[dinnertime]

I still think that main combo animations are a big flaw. Not the only one, as i described above, but i still can't understand why so many people defend it. "It's fantasy" is not an explanation. Machinists already exist in the lore, and Machinist job is not related to them at all. Again, where are the bullets and gunshots? Why we only flip around while shooting heat and summoning things?
Also people say that it's good to have one job with wild animations. Ok, but these animations don't suit Machinist. We simply need new job dedicated to that with fitting lore, and bring back soul to the Machinist. And also fix all other problems, because again, satisfying animations won't fix weird rotation.
I'm not attacking people who like that, because i understand why some people like it, but it doesn't work with Machinist at all.

You know that Machinist shoots with what is basically magic, right? They don't even use actual bullets. Do you ever wonder what that bulky thing on your waist is for?

[MerlinCross]

You know that Machinist shoots with what is basically magic, right? They don't even use actual bullets. Do you ever wonder what that bulky thing on your waist is for?

The bulky thing that seems to lose more animation interactions each expansion?

[Kalise]

The bulky thing that seems to lose more animation interactions each expansion?

Yes. Since, technically, it's main purpose is to draw in ambient aether and convert it into bullets directly inside your gun. So you can shoot non-stop, without needing to carry around millions of bullets to load in manually.

I thought the art was formed to shoot dragons, not... shoot dragons?... Hmm.

Hey, don't you know the saying? Fight Dragonfire with Dragonfire!

Also, the Azure Dragoon uses dragon power to fight dragons. That's literally their schtick.

[Shurrikhan]

Also, the Azure Dragoon uses dragon power to fight dragons. That's literally their schtick.

Yes, but isn't that merely due to the futility they'd otherwise face in using a melee weapon on an enemy flying dozens of feet above them?

They're trading limited ranged for nearly unlimited range by, effectively, flying.

A MCH, by comparison, would be trading a mechanical gun-fired projectile for a self-propelled non-mechanical 'projectile' that simply cannot be fired from a gun and sees no benefit from being "fired" at all (a... dragon... something from the toolkits of XI DRGs and maybe Beastmasters).

[Kalise]

Yes, but isn't that merely due to the futility they'd otherwise face in using a melee weapon on an enemy flying dozens of feet above them?

They're trading limited ranged for nearly unlimited range by, effectively, flying.

Not really. All Dragoons are able to leap tall buildings in a single bound.

That's not specific to the Azure Dragoon(s). Azure Dragoons get increased power from Dragon based enhancements and aetherial dragons (For example, Geirskogul/Nastrond)

A MCH, by comparison, would be trading a mechanical gun-fired projectile for a self-propelled non-mechanical 'projectile' that simply cannot be fired from a gun and sees no benefit from being "fired" at all (a... dragon... something from the toolkits of XI DRGs and maybe Beastmasters).

Who says they have to not fire it from a gun? Especially when aethereal manipulation is allowing them to conjure rockets and missiles out of thin air or shoot out bullets that explode into balls of lightning.

I'm sure there exists some possibilities to allow for them to effectively shoot people with dragons.

[Shurrikhan]

Not really. All Dragoons are able to leap tall buildings in a single bound.

And all Dragoons are native-born Ishgardians, all of whom are able to exhibit traits of dragonkin if the allow themselves. We don't see random spearmen just saying, "What's 200 ft? I'll just jump and then stab it. Easy."

Who says they have to not fire it from a gun? Especially when aethereal manipulation is allowing them to conjure rockets and missiles out of thin air or shoot out bullets that explode into balls of lightning.

I'm sure there exists some possibilities to allow for them to effectively shoot people with dragons.

Ahhhhh. Okay, I get it now, sorry. Yup. Sounds good.

[Cetek14]

You know that Machinist shoots with what is basically magic, right? They don't even use actual bullets. Do you ever wonder what that bulky thing on your waist is for?

Then we might as well move it into magical ranged category and release properly made machine themed job.
I know that in lore they use aether to create bullets, but in the end NPCs shoot these bullets, and it would be nice to do the same, not flip around while magically summon objects with our gun. At this point it's a magical rod, not a gun. This is why some people want Gunner as next physical ranged job, since Machinist currently doesn't fill that niche.

[dinnertime]

Then we might as well move it into magical ranged category and release properly made machine themed job.
I know that in lore they use aether to create bullets, but in the end NPCs shoot these bullets, and it would be nice to do the same, not flip around while magically summon objects with our gun. At this point it's a magical rod, not a gun. This is why some people want Gunner as next physical ranged job, since Machinist currently doesn't fill that niche.

Except practically every job uses magic. The only difference is with the rest of the job and magical ranged is they don't use it as often.
I think you're missing the point of what Machinist is supposed to be. You're assuming it's a gunner, when it is more than that. Why are you exactly so bothered with it magically summoning "objects"? Machinist has always been about using different gadgets to fight with.
This is like thinking Paladin is just a swordsman, or Dragoon is just a lancer.

[Maeka]

Except practically every job uses magic. The only difference is with the rest of the job and magical ranged is they don't use it as often.
I think you're missing the point of what Machinist is supposed to be. You're assuming it's a gunner, when it is more than that. Why are you exactly so bothered with it magically summoning "objects"? Machinist has always been about using different gadgets to fight with.
This is like thinking Paladin is just a swordsman, or Dragoon is just a lancer.

Yeah, the job is called "Machinist". You carry a gun, but that doesn't mean a gun is the only thing a machinist uses. You use various magitek-like machines.