Will we see a return of Battlecraft Leves?

[Malmstrom]

Was doing some milling about and decided to look into blowing a few leves for the heck of it, only to realize that there are no battlecraft leves post-HW.

Do you think we will see them return?

If they did, is their previous iteration enough to make them worthwhile?

[Bsrking5]

Do you think we will see them return?

If they did, is their previous iteration enough to make them worthwhile?

No

No

They stopped because the reward vs time was never gonna be balanced well. There's plenty of reasons but I'll hit just one. The cost and time of teleporting back forth. Plus I'm pretty sure it was very bot friendly.

[Fynlar]

They stopped because the reward vs time was never gonna be balanced well.

It easily could be if they tried.

But they don't seem to want to try (evidenced by 2nd expac in a row without BC leves), so yeah, wouldn't count on it happening anymore.

[Bsrking5]

It easily could be if they tried.

But they don't seem to want to try (evidenced by 2nd expac in a row without BC leves), so yeah, wouldn't count on it happening anymore.

You could be like 30 and have a level 80 in your party do everything. That's not really easy to balance for especially since there's no level sync and you would also have to balance it around other activities like hunts and fates.

[Kalise]

Probably not.

I believe that the reason they were scrapped was because not enough people were doing them, so they thought that people didn't like them.

Which would be glossing over the fact that their rewards have been pretty bad for ages...

If they did return, I'd guess and say that people still wouldn't do them because Duties give better exp for time invested (With Trusts it might even hold true for DPS jobs)

Though, I wouldn't put it past SE to simply jam in another arbitrary currency to collect via them rather than fix the issue of exp gains from things that aren't duties being trash. So yeah, we'd probably start collecting 1,000,000 new "Tricolour Gemstones" to spend on a bunch of knick-nacks. Please look forward to it.

[Fynlar]

You could be like 30 and have a level 80 in your party do everything. That's not really easy to balance for especially since there's no level sync and you would also have to balance it around other activities like hunts and fates.

So force the leves to be solo only. Simple fix; the programming is already there for BTN/MIN leves.

If they really really wanted to continue to allow people to party up for these, force any party members to level sync down to the level of the leve starter (this would take a bit more programming effort surely, but isn't out of the realm of possibility)

Again, if they wanted to fix this, they easily could.

I believe that the reason they were scrapped was because not enough people were doing them, so they thought that people didn't like them.

Which would be glossing over the fact that their rewards have been pretty bad for ages...

I'm sure one of the reasons they were scrapped was because they didn't feel like coming up with additional quest descriptions / flavor text for the levequests. I'm sure it was no coincidence that Stormblood was also the point where they stopped getting a proper journal entry for every quest (no matter how mundane or unimportant); they clearly had less time/budget/care allocated to this sort of thing.

The rewards thing isn't a good excuse. Like I said, they easily could have made the rewards worthwhile by simply adjusting some numbers, and that would have been far easier than coming up with all the flavor text.

[Canadane]

Probably not, but I'd love to see them.
Lore reasons most of all. But also maybe they could be challenging? Like the early level ones were next to nothing in difficulty, but perhaps once hitting 80 we could have this supremely challenging local non-instanced content.
I wouldn't even care about rewards and such, it's just nice to have more to do. In about 19 months from now I'll start the battleleve grind and well that's going to be duller than the level 1 fishing leves I'm doing now.

[Barraind]

They're more or less permanently phased out now due to how fates are being handled.

Battle leves are in a funny place because they compete directly with dungeons, roulette bonuses, fates, deep dungeons, side quests, and beast tribes, and its hard to balance risk/reward to be competitive-but-worse. Theres already a number of things people dont do in a given day that can reward more XP than battle leves can, so they would either have to give meaningful secondary rewards, or theres no point, and its hard to give meaningful secondary rewards to something designed to be quick and easy.

[Shurrikhan]

I believe that the reason they were scrapped was because not enough people were doing them, so they thought that people didn't like them.

Which would be glossing over the fact that their rewards have been pretty bad for ages...

Kinda like CC. No one's using it in raids or dungeons past HW, so we must not want it, ever, right?...

[Mhaeric]

Probably not, but I'd love to see them.
Lore reasons most of all. But also maybe they could be challenging? Like the early level ones were next to nothing in difficulty, but perhaps once hitting 80 we could have this supremely challenging local non-instanced content.
I wouldn't even care about rewards and such, it's just nice to have more to do. In about 19 months from now I'll start the battleleve grind and well that's going to be duller than the level 1 fishing leves I'm doing now.

Why are you doing level 1 fishing leves? Ocean fishing will get someone from 1 to 28 in a single trip, and I can't imagine the level 1 rewards are worth farming that way.