Savage is way to hard nerf it please!

[Cirque-it]

After working on this content for months and currently being on E8S (stuck on Icelite dragonsong) this is my conclussion on the matter

E5S = WAY too hard for a first boss end-tier savage encounter... there are people in there that are new to FF14, new to raiding, new to MMO's in general... They just hit lvl 80 want to get into Savage raids, end up in a party finder E5S encounter and have a horrific experience.... E5S needs to be Nerfed like crazy!!

E6S = Still a touch too hard for a second boss encounter, but pretty decently tuned in general. I think E6S should be as hard as E5S is now

E7S = Perfect. Its the pre-end boss to an end-tier, its beautifully designed, and is exactly what it should be

E8S = I dont really know yet because we're still working on the very last phase (Icelite song and Wyrms lament 2) I dont see how ANYONE can Party Finder this boss with a group, UNLESS every member of the group already has this boss on farm in their own respective static raid groups.... BUT... this being the very last boss of the raid tier, I guess its okay to force people into the social aspect of the game. (Either join a static, or dont clear this boss)
I just still think its a little bit hypocritical that a game whos ToS states you cant use 3rd party software has a boss thats impossible to clear without at least using a third party communications software (discord).....

[Waterscape]

After working on this content for months and currently being on E8S (stuck on Icelite dragonsong) this is my conclussion on the matter

E5S = WAY too hard for a first boss end-tier savage encounter... there are people in there that are new to FF14, new to raiding, new to MMO's in general... They just hit lvl 80 want to get into Savage raids, end up in a party finder E5S encounter and have a horrific experience.... E5S needs to be Nerfed like crazy!!

E6S = Still a touch too hard for a second boss encounter, but pretty decently tuned in general. I think E6S should be as hard as E5S is now

E7S = Perfect. Its the pre-end boss to an end-tier, its beautifully designed, and is exactly what it should be

E8S = I dont really know yet because we're still working on the very last phase (Icelite song and Wyrms lament 2) I dont see how ANYONE can Party Finder this boss with a group, UNLESS every member of the group already has this boss on farm in their own respective static raid groups.... BUT... this being the very last boss of the raid tier, I guess its okay to force people into the social aspect of the game. (Either join a static, or dont clear this boss)
I just still think its a little bit hypocritical that a game whos ToS states you cant use 3rd party software has a boss thats impossible to clear without at least using a third party communications software (discord).....

Oh they are new to MMO and just hit lvl 80 ? THEY ARE NOT READY FOR SAVAGE !

Stop with the troll now

[Neri]

I just still think its a little bit hypocritical that a game whos ToS states you cant use 3rd party software has a boss thats impossible to clear without at least using a third party communications software (discord).....

But I saw people cleared it in PF all the time though, without using discord that is.

[ForteNightshade]

After working on this content for months and currently being on E8S (stuck on Icelite dragonsong) this is my conclussion on the matter

E5S = WAY too hard for a first boss end-tier savage encounter... there are people in there that are new to FF14, new to raiding, new to MMO's in general... They just hit lvl 80 want to get into Savage raids, end up in a party finder E5S encounter and have a horrific experience.... E5S needs to be Nerfed like crazy!!

E6S = Still a touch too hard for a second boss encounter, but pretty decently tuned in general. I think E6S should be as hard as E5S is now

E7S = Perfect. Its the pre-end boss to an end-tier, its beautifully designed, and is exactly what it should be

E8S = I dont really know yet because we're still working on the very last phase (Icelite song and Wyrms lament 2) I dont see how ANYONE can Party Finder this boss with a group, UNLESS every member of the group already has this boss on farm in their own respective static raid groups.... BUT... this being the very last boss of the raid tier, I guess its okay to force people into the social aspect of the game. (Either join a static, or dont clear this boss)
I just still think its a little bit hypocritical that a game whos ToS states you cant use 3rd party software has a boss thats impossible to clear without at least using a third party communications software (discord).....

If you're new to MMOs, nevermind raiding. What business do you have going into Savage and expecting an easy clear? This is content designed for more veteran players; providing them a challenge that is near entirely absent in other content. If you want something more forgiving, both Ruby Weapon and Memoria fill that void.

Conversely, I think E7S is one of the worst fights in the entire game for the precise reason you think it's great. The third boss in a tier shouldn't be the easiest yet here you have a fight where healers literally don't heal for two full minutes. Adding insult to injury, the portal mechanic has only a single deviation, which ruins the gimmick since you can easily predict it. Hence why even PF calls it "braindead strat." None of this talks about its enrage essentially boiling down to weak DPS check.

[HyoMinPark]

After working on this content for months and currently being on E8S (stuck on Icelite dragonsong) this is my conclussion on the matter

E5S = WAY too hard for a first boss end-tier savage encounter... there are people in there that are new to FF14, new to raiding, new to MMO's in general... They just hit lvl 80 want to get into Savage raids, end up in a party finder E5S encounter and have a horrific experience.... E5S needs to be Nerfed like crazy!!

If you're "new to level 80", you don't jump into Savage. You start working your way to Endgame by jumping into Extremes first. That's the stepping stone into Savage. Jumping in completely unprepared for something that actually punishes you for making mistakes (and even then, you can get away with a lot even in Savage) is only the fault of the player who jumped in expecting more faceroll content.

E6S = Still a touch too hard for a second boss encounter, but pretty decently tuned in general. I think E6S should be as hard as E5S is now

See above.

E7S = Perfect. Its the pre-end boss to an end-tier, its beautifully designed, and is exactly what it should be

In what universe is E7S a "beautifully designed" fight? As a healer, I literally do nothing but DPS for nearly two minutes straight.

E8S = I dont really know yet because we're still working on the very last phase (Icelite song and Wyrms lament 2) I dont see how ANYONE can Party Finder this boss with a group, UNLESS every member of the group already has this boss on farm in their own respective static raid groups.... BUT... this being the very last boss of the raid tier, I guess its okay to force people into the social aspect of the game. (Either join a static, or dont clear this boss)

E8S is honestly the only fight that really lives up to the name Savage, in my opinion. Most Savage fights now are shadows of what they used to be. That said, I do have my criticisms of Light Rampant as a mechanic - but so do most raiders.

I just still think its a little bit hypocritical that a game whos ToS states you cant use 3rd party software has a boss thats impossible to clear without at least using a third party communications software (discord).....

Discord isn't against the ToS lol. You're not thinking of the correct third-party tools. And it certainly isn't needed to clear any of the Savage fights. Really, the only fights that would really require Discord would be the Ultimate fights. Though, I'm sure really good players could manage that without voice chats.

[RitsukoSonoda]

Discord isn't against the ToS lol. You're not thinking of the correct third-party tools. And it certainly isn't needed to clear any of the Savage fights. Really, the only fights that would really require Discord would be the Ultimate fights. Though, I'm sure really good players could manage that without voice chats.

Yeah I think the whole mindset of "Discord or some other voice chat is required to play a game online with other people" is a bit laughable. Most of the instances I see people using it is mostly 1-2 people stating what is either blatantly obvious or something that shouldn't need to be said in the first place. You have those talking all the time that to me appear to just want to stroke their ego and others that appear to have mindless drone syndrome where they're incapable of doing something unless being lead through everything with a carrot. I've used voice chat with friends and such in games. However we never talk shop about mechanics or anything like that. The majority of it is random BS most often that has nothing to do with the game or in some cases random karaoke. This was during endgame content in said games. However I tend to be selective of actual friends preferring to have a small number of good ones as opposed to a large amount of ones there just for convenience. As such my friends are also able to actively think, analyze, and solve their own issues and adapt when needed. We very rarely have discussions on how to fix something or figure something out. We do however have a number of discussions on how to break something as that takes a bit more creativity in a lot of cases.

[Liam_Harper]

E5S = WAY too hard for a first boss end-tier savage encounter... there are people in there that are new to FF14, new to raiding, new to MMO's in general... They just hit lvl 80 want to get into Savage raids, end up in a party finder E5S encounter and have a horrific experience....

Working as intended. If they just hit lv80, are new to MMO's, new to raiding and want to leap straight into Savage they're doing it all wrong. It's a good thing the first boss checks them there and says plainly "you aren't ready yet". They should clear Normal, then step to EX and become comfortable there before even thinking of Savage. It's just a shame Enix doesn't offer any warning or indication that Savage is difficult content that needs preparation and knowledge of your rotation before they have that rough PF experience. Imo that's where the problem lies. Even BA in Eureka had a warning pop up when you unlocked it.

I'd say Eden is tuned perfectly. Recently I took my casual FC (for people with Social anxiety), who most had no experience in Savage at all, into E5S. We're digging through E7 now and looking forward to E8. Progress isn't super fast but it's steady and great fun and filling the wait for the next patch nicely. Don't you own an FC yourself? What's stopping you doing the same instead of suffering through PF?

[HeulGDarian]

Don't you own an FC yourself? What's stopping you doing the same instead of suffering through PF?

i dont agree with nerfing savage or any of the anti-improvement shit the ff14 community goes through that makes them call everyone elitist for giving them advice or telling them to pull 2 groups of adds instead of 1 when they got both the experience and gear for it.

That being said this is a shitty excuse, least we forget making an fc isnt as convenient as going in pf , it was made after all for solo players, and a person may have joined an fc for various reasons besides raiding like real life friends or to chill (they can get attracted to raiding later) or it was an fc that helped them as newbies and now they dont feel like leaving .All these dont necessarily mean it would have people who hardcore raid.