People that say this game is too easy

[SturmChurro]

Those seem to be contradictory statements.

The first line is me replying to the "difficulty" of normal dungeons specifically. The OP seems to be claiming that this game is difficult even in that kind of content. I was stating that I actually didn't have to do anything and we could still do a normal dungeon.

The next line is me referring to the rest of the content in general, content where you have to actually half try (by this I mean being actually aware of a mechanic or two), other players are your worst enemy. By that I mean, players dropping aoes on eachother, not walking over to a stack mechanic, etc.

I'd like to explain better, but I seem to be out of it right now.

[Ultimatecalibur]

Anyway, no I disagree you can eat a lot of mechanics in dungeons and get away with it. I was half afk tanking a boss last night, ate every single mechanic and did not use any cds, completely fine. Trash mobs, I actually pulled gigantic, as big as I could, the white mage was wasting cds and we still could pull it off. In general (and I'm talking about regular content) This game starts feeling "difficult" when you have subpar players, and a large proportion of the playerbase are not very good. It's more of fighting against the playerbase than the actual content itself.

I have to ask you: Which dungeon were you running? What was the ilevel of your left side? What was the ilevel of your healer's left side? The answer to these questions can easily explain why you could pretty much brute force the dungeon.

Running Anamnesis Anyder with a party all in i440 gear and all in i470+ gear are very different experiences. Pulling big in i440 is insane and messing up mechanics is pretty devastating. Pulling big in i470+ is pretty easy and messing up is barely a slap on the wrist.

Most players do not realize that SE has given them a fairly generous handcap in the level 50, 60, 70 and 80 dungeons. Most players were not around when the majority of players were in i45 to i50 gear and Cape Westwind, Castrum Meridianum and Praetorum could wipe parties rather than be ignored. Even last year a fair amount of players did complain about regularly wiping in Amaurot before they outgeared it.

It seems to me that the only dungeons that really ever seem to get any respect are leveling dungeons and maybe the final dungeons of the expansion.

[SturmChurro]

I have to ask you: Which dungeon were you running? What was the ilevel of your left side? What was the ilevel of your healer's left side? The answer to these questions can easily explain why you could pretty much brute force the dungeon.

Running Anamnesis Anyder with a party all in i440 gear and all in i470+ gear are very different experiences. Pulling big in i440 is insane and messing up mechanics is pretty devastating. Pulling big in i470+ is pretty easy and messing up is barely a slap on the wrist.

Most players do not realize that SE has given them a fairly generous handcap in the level 50, 60, 70 and 80 dungeons. Most players were not around when the majority of players were in i45 to i50 gear and Cape Westwind, Castrum Meridianum and Praetorum could wipe parties rather than be ignored. Even last year a fair amount of players did complain about regularly wiping in Amaurot before they outgeared it.

It seems to me that the only dungeons that really ever seem to get any respect are leveling dungeons and maybe the final dungeons of the expansion.

Funny you should say that. I haven't upgraded my tanks gear since the start of shadowbringers. Mostly ilvl440 gear. Again, I was referring to "normal dungeons" since the OP said "normal" dungeons, I was referring to non "expert" dungeons. However, I have tanked all dungeon content and pull as big as possible in every single dungeon I have done in my 440 gear since the start of shadowbringers. I have only started upgrading my tank into augmented deepshadow in the past day, because I queue for copied factory and put some metal music on in the background and zone out.

The dungeon I was referring to was Mt. Gulg. I pulled all the way to the first boss, after the second boss I pulled every single group from the second boss to the third boss.

Uhhh....ok then.
Not sure how you got that from my comment.
Kinda grasping at invisible straws there bud.

I have reread your post several times. Please explain to me what you mean. I am referring to the former "pulls extremely low dps". Why would you post it, what does this mean, if you don't mean this.

[Ultimatecalibur]

Funny you should say that. I haven't upgraded my tanks gear since the start of shadowbringers. Mostly ilvl440 gear. Again, I was referring to "normal dungeons" since the OP said "normal" dungeons, I was referring to non "expert" dungeons. However, I have tanked all dungeon content and pull as big as possible in every single dungeon I have done in my 440 gear since the start of shadowbringers. I have only started upgrading my tank into augmented deepshadow in the past day, because I queue for copied factory and put some metal music on in the background and zone out.

The dungeon I was referring to was Mt. Gulg. I pulled all the way to the first boss, after the second boss I pulled every single group from the second boss to the third boss.

Then you were outgearing it by a bit more than 30 ilevels: Mt. Gulg has a minimum ilevel of i390 and an ilevel sync of i420. You had about 120% the Vit and 115% the Def and M.Def of a tank in i390 gear. This along with similar increases in dps allowed you to pull 2 packs of trash monsters and then burn them down in 3/4 the time. The ease you have with the dungeon is pretty much wholly due to your gears ability to mitigate the effects of your mistakes.

[SturmChurro]

Then you were outgearing it by a bit more than 30 ilevels: Mt. Gulg has a minimum ilevel of i390 and an ilevel sync of i420. You had about 120% the Vit and 115% the Def and M.Def of a tank in i390 gear. This along with similar increases in dps allowed you to pull 2 packs of trash monsters and then burn them down in 3/4 the time. The ease you have with the dungeon is pretty much wholly due to your gears ability to mitigate the effects of your mistakes.

When I did Mt. Gulg at the start of shadowbringers, I pulled the exact same size. When I leveled each of my tanks, I pulled the exact same size (in leveled gear - before 80). You seem to be over here trying to act like these dungeons are actually hard. Lol. Yeah right. They aren't. If anyone actually thinks that any of the normal dungeons in the game are hard, they are kidding themselves. Aurum Vale is only considered annoying, because people don't know how to pull, and stand in front of moving packs of adds. Players are who make it annoying, not hard, just annoying due to players.

Anyway. I took this as a challenge. I queued specifically for Mt. Gulg in my old augmented scaevan (oh please, are you going to tell me because it's augmented, that's too good?) i397. I put on the shoes of the average DF tank, who didn't upgrade their gear throughout ShB. Spent 15 minutes looking for a healer, did every pull as I did before. Cleared. got a commendation. Normal dungeons are extremely easy right now, as I said before

Now, to an "expert" dungeon. The new one, Anamnesis Anyder. Since you said it was so hard at i440 I had deleted a couple of my old ronkan gear, so I just put back on a couple pieces of augmented scaevan to lower my ilvl a bit (to take off the newly upgraded deepshadow pieces). I got it as low as I could to still queue. Cleared it with 71 minutes left on the clock. No issues, I was also eating several mechanics, and had about 3 or 4 vuln stacks up o nthe first boss - not on purpose this is actually like the third time I've ever even done that dungeon. So, I will make a correction here now. Not just "normal dungeons are easy, ALL dungeons are easy. We actually only had 1 dps for half the first big Mt. Gulg pull, thought I'd just add that.

2 dungeons and queue times are why this reply is so late.

I need to actually get some friends, I have none, but this would be a fun challenge to play minimum Ilvl and see exactly just how "hard" these dungeons are when it's a forced low ilvl environment. The point is. these were authentic duty finder experiences, where the average player could find themselves in. I was continuing to play the role of the poorly geared tank.

[SamRF]

I feel like they should increase all incoming damage in (most) normal instances.

[CaptainFishSticks]

To say the game is difficult is kind of pushing it. It's easy to learn the mechanics. It's easy to learn how to play your class. The only difficulty comes from whether or not the rest of your group is aware of how to play the game.

When people are learning content for the very first time is the only point where things are difficult but that passes quickly over time.

[VictorTheed]

I like the ease of this game, it's fun, relaxing, looks amazing, has good gameplay and I can enjoy it with others without being stressed out.

I like to improve and get better and know what certain moves do etc but I don't enjoy super hard content, on this game or any other game.

[Gula]

I like the ease of this game, it's fun, relaxing, looks amazing, has good gameplay and I can enjoy it with others without being stressed out.

I like to improve and get better and know what certain moves do etc but I don't enjoy super hard content, on this game or any other game.

Some people come in thinking XIV is a dudebro kill cam game apparently.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

What I want to know is what's wrong with something being easy? I want to be entertained, not walk uphill through a blizzard. I enjoy FFXIV for what it is... and while much of it might be classified as "easy" by most, there's still parts of it that are difficult. I've never done any of the Ultimates for example, and while I think I could successfully clear them if I really applied myself to the task, it's just more effort than I feel like investing. I applaud those that do clear them though. Another thing to keep in mind is that everyone is different and difficulty is relative. I'm older and have health issues. What's easy for someone else could very well be quite difficult to me.