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  1. #331
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    Quote Originally Posted by SannaR View Post
    Which part? As we don't know if personality traits cling to the soul. All we know is Azem was seen as eccentric by your average Ancient. Meanwhile I think many of the Scions would face palm if they saw us doing almost anything the Loporrits asked of us during their tribal quests. Or how we look on the mount from them. At least only some Oronir would have seen us riding the mount we get from the Namazu.
    Well, uh... Azem is consider weird and dorky enough that 12/13 members of the Convocation (sans Azem's best friend Emet-Selch) took their statement about taking one of Lahabrea's concepts and running off to fight a volcanic eruption for the sake of saving the delicious grapes on the island the volcano is on at face value. The same Convocation consisting of the best and brightest members of mankind who are also specifically trained to be able to parse truth from lies. And Azem has apparently been censured for similar actions and commentary repeatedly according to "Ere Our Curtain Falls".

    Azem's reputation as a weirdo is so profound that WoL is able to excuse all of their behavior in the Unsundered Past by calling themselves Azem's familiar, and one Elpis researcher's first reaction to what he thinks is Azem is, "What in the blazes are you doing here?"
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    I'm still curious what the Endwalker logo is supposed to be. People say that "oh its just the Ragnarok going to the Moon!" but that doesn't look like the Moon, and the Moon doesn't have a giant hole in the middle unless you consider the small speck Zodiark occupied to be a massive cavern. Then on top of that the Ragnarok doesn't look like a giant flying square pillar, and we didn't take the Ragnarok to the Moon to begin with.

    I've seen "Hollow Earth" symbols that look STRIKINGLY similar to the Endwalker logo, and I feel as if they're going to go with a "Hollow Etheirys" with a hole somewhere at the planets Polar region. Maybe another group comes in on a giant flying square thing to invade the Poles of the planet for one reason or another?

    Idk but the Endwalker logo never sat right with me because its inconsistent with the story thats happened thus far, which is different from every other logo in the games history
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  3. #333
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sieggi858 View Post
    I'm still curious what the Endwalker logo is supposed to be. People say that "oh its just the Ragnarok going to the Moon!" but that doesn't look like the Moon, and the Moon doesn't have a giant hole in the middle unless you consider the small speck Zodiark occupied to be a massive cavern. Then on top of that the Ragnarok doesn't look like a giant flying square pillar, and we didn't take the Ragnarok to the Moon to begin with.

    I've seen "Hollow Earth" symbols that look STRIKINGLY similar to the Endwalker logo, and I feel as if they're going to go with a "Hollow Etheirys" with a hole somewhere at the planets Polar region. Maybe another group comes in on a giant flying square thing to invade the Poles of the planet for one reason or another?

    Idk but the Endwalker logo never sat right with me because its inconsistent with the story thats happened thus far, which is different from every other logo in the games history
    The logo is Ultima Thule, or more specifically, the giant dead planet at the middle top of it. That's what the sphere is.
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  4. #334
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    Come on guys.. it's the Moon... the game's title screen outright shows it, the moon travels across the screen before turning into the title. Remember, the Ragnarok's original purpose was a shuttle between Hydaelyn and the Moon, not going on intergalactic voyages. And the 'big hole' is clearly The Cradle of Darkness, have a look at the Mare Lamentorum map if you don't believe me.

    And before you pass judgement saying "but it doesn't look like the moon", neither does the Ragnarok in the title, but there you are - that's Yoshitaka Amano's artwork for you, it's a stylized depiction and never 100% the same.

    I'm really sorry if that came across as testy or nasty (especially as this thread is about crazy or impossible stuff), but yeah, I would have thought it was pretty simple to understand what the title was meant to be (especially given all the moon iconography throughout EW's promotional phase - it's even in the banner at the top of this very forum!).
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    Last edited by Enkidoh; 05-01-2023 at 04:30 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rannie View Post
    Aaaaannnd now I just had a mental image of Lahabrea walking into a store called Bodies R Us and trying on different humans.... >.<

    Lahabrea: hn too tall... tooo short.... Juuuuuust right.
    Venat was right.

  5. #335
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    Agreed, its the moon. It doesn't look remotely like the ultimatum. Meteion's ultimatum is more smoothly textured and not a stand alone sphere. It hangs like a water droplet or a cocoon or a booger. And the dead star it spawns from doesn't work either.
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  6. #336
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dikatis View Post
    Well, uh... Azem is consider weird and dorky enough that 12/13 members of the Convocation (sans Azem's best friend Emet-Selch) took their statement about taking one of Lahabrea's concepts and running off to fight a volcanic eruption for the sake of saving the delicious grapes on the island the volcano is on at face value. The same Convocation consisting of the best and brightest members of mankind who are also specifically trained to be able to parse truth from lies. And Azem has apparently been censured for similar actions and commentary repeatedly according to "Ere Our Curtain Falls".

    Azem's reputation as a weirdo is so profound that WoL is able to excuse all of their behavior in the Unsundered Past by calling themselves Azem's familiar, and one Elpis researcher's first reaction to what he thinks is Azem is, "What in the blazes are you doing here?"
    Yeah, but most of Azem's behavior would look like normal adventurer type stuff if done in present day in game. And as I said we don't know if personality traits are able to attach themselves to a soul or not. Course I think even if some of the Scions might wonder why they're friends with the WoL with some of the more zany stuff the WoL has done that they'd shrug it off. Since you know just about everyone has placed many a burden on their shoulders. So they might see it as allowing a friend to be as silly and do dorky stuff after all the burdens they've placed on em. You know just as long as they're not dragging around a corpse again.
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  7. #337
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enkidoh View Post
    Come on guys.. it's the Moon... the game's title screen outright shows it, the moon travels across the screen before turning into the title. Remember, the Ragnarok's original purpose was a shuttle between Hydaelyn and the Moon, not going on intergalactic voyages. And the 'big hole' is clearly The Cradle of Darkness, have a look at the Mare Lamentorum map if you don't believe me.
    Just because they put a logo of a round thing on top of an image of a round thing, does not mean they are the same round thing. It can be part of the misdirection so you assume it's the moon until you arrive at Ultima and realise what you're actually looking at.

    The Ragnarok's purpose was to go to the moon, but it never actually went there. It did go to Ultima.

    And the Cradle of Darkness is simply not that big.
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  8. #338
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    Just because they put a logo of a round thing on top of an image of a round thing, does not mean they are the same round thing. It can be part of the misdirection so you assume it's the moon until you arrive at Ultima and realise what you're actually looking at.

    The Ragnarok's purpose was to go to the moon, but it never actually went there. It did go to Ultima.

    And the Cradle of Darkness is simply not that big.
    Its not as if the logo image matches up perfectly to anything in Ultima Thule either, though. I think the Cradle of Darkness being bigger in the logo than it should be isn't really a good argument against it being the moon in light of that.
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    Like... it's an Amano illustration, y'all. He famously takes a lot of artistic license. All that's really important is that it's evocative of the journey our heroes go on in the expansion. And it is. ┐(°ヮ°)┌
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    Heh, most definitely the place for this.

    I think the reason Alphinaud has so much influence on basically everyone in a high position (way beyond being just a rich kid) is the fact he summoned Vauthry to his body. Of course thanks to previous character growth he's past the usual megalomaniacs who think they're beyond reproach, are infallible and can do everything on their own. No, he doesn't transform or throw pink magical gass of brainwashing, he just has Vauthry face on his body somewhere, much like Vauthry had that sin eater face on his, that gives his words more weight.
    It's a more suddle influence that allows him to freely say anything and peoples brain makes it seem sensible and makes them act exactly the way he'd want them to act despite how childish what was said might actually be.

    Let's be honest, it's the only way to explain how that guy who watches his beloved Satrap get devoured by a giant monster, watches as people around him, including his son, turn into monster and watching the giant one step and flatten his monster son to death could accept Alphinaud showing up with some empty words that make him go "Pfft, yeah, children. You win some you lose some. Meh, *shrug*"
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