Smoking emote.

[Zeldert-Castiel]

That is nice Lol, it makes them learn the hard way that there is no reason to fear the spider or the snake those two creatures only attack people who desever it anyways if you don't mess with them they won't mess with you.

Also, you're right, it is common, but the common man is inferior to those of us who know there is no reason to fear any animal.

Its about teaching them the hard way the same way to teach someone who can't swim how to swim you throw them in sink or swim is a great teaching method.

And nop your incorrect.. the world and nature doesn't cuddle with people its a harsh reality that the fear is Pathetic and should get over the fear.

Keep in mind that my reply is based on how I perceive your view.

Here's the thing: I don't like how you quote your words because it feels like you don't know what phobia is but you're making fun of it since it sounds lame and weird.
Phobia is more than just "scared of" stuff, they make you suffocate, paralized, and even increase your heart rate to the point you can get a heart attack so I don't suggest you to just "make them learn" about their phobia. If you don't have any phobia I suggest you not to speak over those who have because you can spread misinformation.

You don't immediately expose them to a large amount of spiders and snakes if they're Ophiophobic and/or Arachnophobic because chances you send them to hospital for the worst. And you don't immediately throw someone to deep water to teach them to swim because if this is your method you're a psychopath who enjoy seeing people struggling on their own fear.

When I can be anything in this world, I chose to be kind and helpful rather than meeting someone who could care less about other's phobias

[Zeldert-Castiel]

Good. I can use this to clear away people from NPCs I need to interact with. Or the MB. This emote gets better and better

I bet the NPCs would stay away for 20 yards too

[BaconBits]

I have sat here staring at my screen for nearly 30 minutes now, trying to articulate a response to those that are against the addition of a simple smoking emote, and I'm honestly struggling to come up with anything.

I've seen other users point out the fact that various NPC's smoke when someone else tried to insist that only villains smoke (when the only villainous character I remember ever smoking was Yotsuyu).
I've seen other users point out the existence of a few housing items like the ashtray and ornamental pipe.
I've even seen other users point out the fact that the ESRB rating for the game itself includes Use of Alcohol and Tobacco.

But no matter what these folks say, no matter what reasons they give in support of a smoking emote, it still receives push-back from people that don't want it. A few with reasons such as "smoking is a gross habit irl", "it would glamourize smoking for younger players", or "FFXIV has a colorful and family friendly aesthetic"...

The game that has a rather unsavory chamber within the very first dungeon, in which an NPC fearfully states that she won't bite anymore is considered family friendly? I'm sorry, I know you're referring to the colors of this game and how it can appeal to younger audiences, but the themes within are very much on the adult side. Between the prostitution and slave rings in Limsa and Ul'dah, the racism against Keepers of the Moon Mi'qote and Duskwight Elezen in Gridania, along with racism towards the Beast tribes in general. That's not even getting into the various horrific things that the people on the source did to one another. Belah'dia using zombie powder on Sil'dih to essentially wipe them off the face of the map and eventually becoming Ul'dah, a city ruled by the Monetarists with the Sultana essentially being nothing more than a puppet to the throne. The three-way war between Black Mages of Mhach, the White Mages of Amdapor, and the Nymian Marines (who were cursed with a fate worse than death by Mhach) which eventually caused a massive Flood of water aspected aether to drown everything. And do I even need to mention the Allag and the Garlean Empire's war-crimes? Or Ala Mhigo's mad king, who in his throes of paranoia during the final days of his rule, had everyone even tangentially related to him killed so they wouldn't usurp his throne?

All of this and more exists within FFXIV, yet it's smoking that get's this kind of treatment? It's honestly laughable to me.

And before anyone asks, no, I neither smoke nor drink IRL, but you won't see me condemning others that do.

[Penthea]

Its about teaching them the hard way the same way to teach someone who can't swim how to swim you throw them in sink or swim is a great teaching method.

My father is terrified of water because his parents tried to teach him like that. He still can't swim.

Also, you're right, it is common, but the common man is inferior to those of us who know there is no reason to fear any animal.

Do you live under a rock? The world is full of deadly animals that can easily kill us with sheer force or with their venom. You may not live in a place with such animals, but many people do. In some parts of the world a fear of spiders is completely justified. Australia had to ban an episode of a kid's tv show (I think it was Peppa Pig) because it taught kids that spiders are not dangerous, which is absolutely not the case in that country.

[Kohdo]

I wouldn't mind a smoking emote, preferably some kind of pipe or something, to keep it thematically appropriate. We already have a cigar in an ashtray as a house furnishing, so there's an implication that your character can smoke if you want them to. At least one NPC is also seen smoking a pipe. It's strange that some people would oppose this because "it's an icky habit irl" considering we've all slaughtered countless people in-game for money or fancy clothing.

[Joven]

I have sat here staring at my screen for nearly 30 minutes now, trying to articulate a response to those that are against the addition of a simple smoking emote, and I'm honestly struggling to come up with anything.

I've seen other users point out the fact that various NPC's smoke when someone else tried to insist that only villains smoke (when the only villainous character I remember ever smoking was Yotsuyu).
I've seen other users point out the existence of a few housing items like the ashtray and ornamental pipe.
I've even seen other users point out the fact that the ESRB rating for the game itself includes Use of Alcohol and Tobacco.

But no matter what these folks say, no matter what reasons they give in support of a smoking emote, it still receives push-back from people that don't want it. A few with reasons such as "smoking is a gross habit irl", "it would glamourize smoking for younger players", or "FFXIV has a colorful and family friendly aesthetic"...

The game that has a rather unsavory chamber within the very first dungeon, in which an NPC fearfully states that she won't bite anymore is considered family friendly? I'm sorry, I know you're referring to the colors of this game and how it can appeal to younger audiences, but the themes within are very much on the adult side. Between the prostitution and slave rings in Limsa and Ul'dah, the racism against Keepers of the Moon Mi'qote and Duskwight Elezen in Gridania, along with racism towards the Beast tribes in general. That's not even getting into the various horrific things that the people on the source did to one another. Belah'dia using zombie powder on Sil'dih to essentially wipe them off the face of the map and eventually becoming Ul'dah, a city ruled by the Monetarists with the Sultana essentially being nothing more than a puppet to the throne. The three-way war between Black Mages of Mhach, the White Mages of Amdapor, and the Nymian Marines (who were cursed with a fate worse than death by Mhach) which eventually caused a massive Flood of water aspected aether to drown everything. And do I even need to mention the Allag and the Garlean Empire's war-crimes? Or Ala Mhigo's mad king, who in his throes of paranoia during the final days of his rule, had everyone even tangentially related to him killed so they wouldn't usurp his throne?

All of this and more exists within FFXIV, yet it's smoking that get's this kind of treatment? It's honestly laughable to me.

And before anyone asks, no, I neither smoke nor drink IRL, but you won't see me condemning others that do.

Maybe they think the kiddies just gloss over any political or implied elements and focus solely on the visual aspects. To be fair kids are pretty dumb so they may have a point.

[Eriane_Elis]

Would anyone be interested in a smoking emote or am I in the minority when it comes wanting a smoking emote.

Yoshi P smokes all the time even on camera so I wouldn't mind it. Japanese people smoke a whole lot more than Americans too. Smoking would feel like it were part of the lore particularly cigars and since there's already an ashtray with a cigar I say it would be a welcomed addicton -- I mean addition. Unfortunately ESRB and all that will get in the way especially Sony how they are now with their over-the-top censoring. It probably won't happen because of the "think of the children" mentality.

[BaconBits]

Maybe they think the kiddies just gloss over any political or implied elements and focus solely on the visual aspects. To be fair kids are pretty dumb so they may have a point.

The beauty of it all is that kids aren't dumb, at least not a large majority of them. Kids are a naive, prideful lot (teenagers especially) yet they are by no means dumb. If anything, they've been getting smarter and smarter as the years go by. I know this may be anecdotal evidence, but my younger sister and her friends, who are still in high school, are without a doubt much smarter than I ever was when I was their age. Whereas I made it through my years in school getting mainly B's, C's, and even a few failing grades, my sister has been getting nothing but A's since Elementary. She's also much more talented and applies herself in school than I did, being a member of various clubs, participating in Regional quizzes against other schools, playing multiple instruments, and even being a better artist than I ever will be. When I told her this morning that one of the reasons used against smoking in-game in this very forum was that "FFXIV has a colorful and family-friendly aesthetic", her response was a confused "Really?", and she only played the game as an archer for a few days.

Putting my younger sibling aside, how many of us grew up watching cartoons and movies that had smoking in them, playing video games that had cigarettes and cigars, yet never felt the need to go out to the nearest gas station and purchase a pack of Newports? Did any of us growing up have such little control over ourselves that we felt the need to start smoking or drinking simply because media depicted it lights both positive and negative? I'm willing to say that this isn't true at all. I am a 24 going on 25 year old man, who has spent 5 years of his life serving his country in the USN onboard a Naval Vessel that would (and has!) drive a lesser person to drink or smoke, yet I continue to remain as smoke and alcohol free as I had been when I first joined, even after being Honorably Discharged once I finished my contract. Why? Because taking up these vices is a choice.

As many people as there were that eventually picked up the bottle or cigarettes to cope with the difficulty of working aboard a ship with a crew numbering in the thousands, there were just as many that drink and smoke simply as a hobby, and many that were successful in actually kicking those habits to the wayside and going on to live healthier lifestyles. And while I applauded those people and gave them the congratulations they deserved for having the fortitude to make that choice, I didn't go around condemning those that continued by calling smoking a gross habit (though I certainly had a few chuckles at the folks
that numbered in the hundreds waiting in line to use the smoke pit after a drill). Because once again, smoking is a choice that they consciously made despite the health problems that it poses, and we should respect that. As far as I know, none of them had a gun put to their head and a cigarette put in front of them. And we were all kids once.

So no, I won't accept "kids are pretty dumb" as a reasonable excuse to not make an emote that NPC's already use available to players. My parents never went out of their way to tell me that I should never smoke because it's a disgusting habit, nor did they try to impress this upon my little sister. And yet, despite all the media that "glamourizes" smoking as the coolest thing since sliced bread, or depicts it as the worst thing to ever be created, I've never once let myself be influenced by it. So until someone comes up with better defenses than "Think of the children!", or "Smoking is nasty IRL so smoking in-game is just as bad", then I will continue to rally against it. Because otherwise, they're just making the same excuses that people make about how violence in a video game can cause people to commit violence in real life, which is blatantly false.

And that is an incredibly stupid hill to die on.

[Joven]

le Snip

Apparently you haven't read any of my other posts on here, otherwise you would already know that I'm all for the emote and against the idea that digital smoking is harmful in any way. My "kids are pretty dumb" comes from my own experiences dealing with them. It doesn't matter how books smart or talented a kid is, they can still fall for some pretty stupid stuff. Is it enough to not have the emote? No it isn't, but all it takes is one bad example for everyone to overreact.

I'm not trying to die on any hill, I don't give a crap whether or not someone else's kid takes up smoking for whatever reason. That's their problem.

[REPROBEAN_CHILD]

I have sat here staring at my screen for nearly 30 minutes now, trying to articulate a response to those that are against the addition of a simple smoking emote, and I'm honestly struggling to come up with anything.

I've seen other users point out the fact that various NPC's smoke when someone else tried to insist that only villains smoke (when the only villainous character I remember ever smoking was Yotsuyu).
I've seen other users point out the existence of a few housing items like the ashtray and ornamental pipe.
I've even seen other users point out the fact that the ESRB rating for the game itself includes Use of Alcohol and Tobacco.
But no matter what these folks say, no matter what reasons they give in support of a smoking emote, it still receives push-back from people that don't want it. A few with reasons such as "smoking is a gross habit irl", "it would glamourize smoking for younger players", or "FFXIV has a colorful and family friendly aesthetic"...

The game that has a rather unsavory chamber within the very first dungeon, in which an NPC fearfully states that she won't bite anymore is considered family friendly? I'm sorry, I know you're referring to the colors of this game and how it can appeal to younger audiences, but the themes within are very much on the adult side. Between the prostitution and slave rings in Limsa and Ul'dah, the racism against Keepers of the Moon Mi'qote and Duskwight Elezen in Gridania, along with racism towards the Beast tribes in general. That's not even getting into the various horrific things that the people on the source did to one another. Belah'dia using zombie powder on Sil'dih to essentially wipe them off the face of the map and eventually becoming Ul'dah, a city ruled by the Monetarists with the Sultana essentially being nothing more than a puppet to the throne. The three-way war between Black Mages of Mhach, the White Mages of Amdapor, and the Nymian Marines (who were cursed with a fate worse than death by Mhach) which eventually caused a massive Flood of water aspected aether to drown everything. And do I even need to mention the Allag and the Garlean Empire's war-crimes? Or Ala Mhigo's mad king, who in his throes of paranoia during the final days of his rule, had everyone even tangentially related to him killed so they wouldn't usurp his throne?

All of this and more exists within FFXIV, yet it's smoking that get's this kind of treatment? It's honestly laughable to me.

And before anyone asks, no, I neither smoke nor drink IRL, but you won't see me condemning others that do.

Have people ever considered that SE just don't want the player character to smoke. Setting aside "think about the kids," Final Fantasy appearing "family friendly" or whatever npcs do, that could just be their stance. This point was already made, but what an npc does is different from what the player does. What I'd like to know is why is there a sudden push to have smoking? For RP purposes? Some people need to accept that this game isn't going to cater to their ever desire. It just seems like too many players want SE to push the envelope for what a rated "T" game can have. Also as if some people want this to be slapped with an "M" rating. If you want a game that has content THAT mature, you should probably look for another game.

btw, everything you listed is either told through exposition, or implied. You never actually see people being raped or prostituted in this game, despite it's implications. There's war, but it's relatively bloodless, compared to what you'd see in other games, like Call of Duty.