SCH needs help

[Lilseph]

To make things clear, when mitigating one hit (most common):
Sacred Soil: 10% Mitigation + 500p Healing, 150p DPS cost
Collective Unconscious (Diurnal): 10% Mitigation + 500p Healing, 0 DPS cost

Genuinely don't understand why you're trying to compare Diurnal CU to Sacred Soil instead of Nocturnal CU when they both fill completely different niches. Especially since you'll mostly see Diurnal AST being paired with SCH anyway, it's a little unfair to compare the two complements.

[Volkaj]

Genuinely don't understand why you're trying to compare Diurnal CU to Sacred Soil instead of Nocturnal CU when they both fill completely different niches. Especially since you'll mostly see Diurnal AST being paired with SCH anyway, it's a little unfair to compare the two complements.

I find it hard to believe Diurnal CU and Sacred Soil fill completely different niches if they have almost the same effect for mitigating a single hit (most common use case).

I'm not comparing against Nocturnal CU because:
- SS is clearly better in the single-hit case, since it also heals the party.
- You're not gonna have a Noct AST + SCH pair, since the toolkit synergy is atrocious. There is no planning question of whether the SCH should use SS, then AST should use CU only if SS is on CD.
- Diurnal AST is all-around better unless you absolutely need Noct AST shields, and can't get by with Neutral Sect.

[Lilseph]

I find it hard to believe Diurnal CU and Sacred Soil fill completely different niches if they have almost the same effect for mitigating a single hit (most common use case).

I'm not comparing against Nocturnal CU because:
- SS is clearly better in the single-hit case, since it also heals the party.
- You're not gonna have a Noct AST + SCH pair, since the toolkit synergy is atrocious. There is no planning question of whether the SCH should use SS, then AST should use CU only if SS is on CD.
- Diurnal AST is all-around better unless you absolutely need Noct AST shields, and can't get by with Neutral Sect.

Ah, that makes a lot more sense. Thanks for clarifying.

As for the niche thing, it's mostly to do with what its meant to substitute in lieu of having a WHM (for Diurnal), and SCH (for Nocturnal). In Diurnal Sect, Diurnal CU is there as a substitute for both Asylum and Temperance on a much shorter recast. In Nocturnal Sect, Noct CU is a substitute for Sacred Soil but on a longer recast timer. Both are inferior to what they're trying to substitute but are still extremely usable and valuable. It's the same deal with Noct Helios stacked with Noct Opposition being similar to a Deployed Critlo but on a shorter recast.