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    Quote Originally Posted by KDSilver View Post
    So...

    - What are your data exactly ? I'm curious
    - What you're saying is that Scholar has to trade its DPS for healing. How does that make his healing toolkit less valuable ? He always had to trade Energy Drain for a healing ability, that's not new.

    If Scholar seems to slowly fall behind, that's not because of its healing toolkit, but its pDPS and rDPS. And Energy drain will not close the gap.
    Ast rDPS depending on party can be close to WHM's one or even superior. Their rDPS combined seems sto have more potential than paired with a SCH.

    I'm waiting for these data.


    https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...gregate=amount

    he healing in the ultimate fight sch is outclassed by BOTH other healers btw they're also outclassed in damage in the highest scenarios (except aoe they outdo astro on aoe damage) already so chadding as sch is not good healing alot is also not good. (as if they can heal alot anyway lol)

    The ultimate fight is MORE than good enough for Data regarding the healers and sch is under performing hard.
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    Last edited by Whichi; 03-07-2020 at 08:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whichi View Post


    https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...gregate=amount

    he healing in the ultimate fight sch is outclassed by BOTH other healers btw they're also outclassed in damage in the highest scenarios (except aoe they outdo astro on aoe damage) already so chadding as sch is not good healing alot is also not good. (as if they can heal alot anyway lol)

    The ultimate fight is MORE than good enough for Data regarding the healers and sch is under performing hard.
    Ey that's pretty cool my dude. Would be a shame if HPS actually meant anything though.
    Healer Combined Damage is a much better metric, as it shows the WHM/AST being forced to GCD heal to make up for SCH's weakness.

    Let's take a look.

    Oh dear! You've fallen for one of the classic blunders! The worst comp is the one without a scholar!

    I can already hear you typing 'but SCH dps makes up for the lost pot'

    Oh no what's this? SCH actually performs worst of the 3 healers in terms of rDPS output?
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    Quote Originally Posted by YusiKha View Post
    Let's take a look.

    Oh dear! You've fallen for one of the classic blunders! The worst comp is the one without a scholar!
    Oh no what's this? SCH actually performs worst of the 3 healers in terms of rDPS output?
    I personally don't care too much about numbers as long as the jobs are fun to play, but I have to point out here that that AST + WHM comp spread is really narrow. This is probably due to lower sample size, which makes the data less useful.

    Another thing to point out about that graph is that it shows that the average AST + WHM comp is the best (assuming we can trust the small sample size), and that WHM + SCH beats AST + SCH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whichi View Post


    https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...gregate=amount

    he healing in the ultimate fight sch is outclassed by BOTH other healers btw they're also outclassed in damage in the highest scenarios (except aoe they outdo astro on aoe damage) already so chadding as sch is not good healing alot is also not good. (as if they can heal alot anyway lol)

    The ultimate fight is MORE than good enough for Data regarding the healers and sch is under performing hard.
    Scholar is played 3x more than Astrologian in the data you're using and 1.5x as much as white mage? It's almost taken as much as the other two combined, meaning that a Scholar was present in almost every one of these reports.

    I don't really understand how this is underperforming, personally.
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