SCH needs help

[Brandedblade]

theres some really great points here OP. Don't listen to anyone telling you SCH isnt lacking statistics and data atm PROVE that scholar is by far the worst healer. World first shiva extreme even went ahead to skip SCH and used ASTRO / WHM in their group comp. The facts are that SCH has to give away 150 potency for every heal that isnt recitation and whm / astro do not WHM loses 300 for each set of lilys they use but in some fights that can even be a gain if theres multiple targets OR downtime. On top of glare / dia being insane. ASTRO doesnt lose ANYTHING to weave healing. SCH's tank healing is abysmal now and their mitigation is SUBPAR compared to astro.

If the aetherflow heal allows both healers to not gcd heal, then it's a gain overall. Not to mention even with the aetherflow restriction theres also all the free healing from the fairy, and all aetherflow skills have extra effective potency thanks to... you guessed it, the fae guage

[Whichi]

If the aetherflow heal allows both healers to not gcd heal, then it's a gain overall. Not to mention even with the aetherflow restriction theres also all the free healing from the fairy, and all aetherflow skills have extra effective potency thanks to... you guessed it, the fae guage

Well the problem with half the cd being that that would cost you 300 potency vs astros completley free collective. or even asylum which has a small weaving cost it still does way more i'd argue since it buffs healing actions like indom AND is a heal overtime on a relatively short CD. Soil is strong sure but i'd still argue its the worst of the three healers simply because it costs SO MUCH when the other two healers get one for FREE (or near free)

[Bobsmiaw]

Well the problem with half the cd being that that would cost you 300 potency vs astros completley free collective. or even asylum which has a small weaving cost it still does way more i'd argue since it buffs healing actions like indom AND is a heal overtime on a relatively short CD. Soil is strong sure but i'd still argue its the worst of the three healers simply because it costs SO MUCH when the other two healers get one for FREE (or near free)

Managing AF stack for both DPSing via ED and Healing via ogcd are SCH identity since AAR.
From what I see, you want a zero DPS loss when using ogcd healing.
Imagine SE change how SCH ogcd heal work from costing 1 AF into 0 AF with longer CD.
If this situation happen, I believe people will be mad like what SE did to AST time manipulation skill.

[Whichi]

Managing AF stack for both DPSing via ED and Healing via ogcd are SCH identity since AAR.
From what I see, you want a zero DPS loss when using ogcd healing.
Imagine SE change how SCH ogcd heal work from costing 1 AF into 0 AF with longer CD.
If this situation happen, I believe people will be mad like what SE did to AST time manipulation skill.

I just want scholar to Excel at ANYTHING. Scholar is the worst dps and the worst healing. They don't even excel at Aoe despite having the strongest gcd aoe because WHM has misery and assize.

If Ast holds CU for a single gcd then ED loss cost from sacred soil is peanuts compared to the 250 potency loss Ast just suffered.

It is only free if not channelled and when not channelled both versions are weaker than Sacred soil by a good amount (100 less potency HoT + 12s less 10%dmg mitigation for Diurnal, 500 less potency HoT + 5s more 10% dmg mitigation for nocturnal) to make up for no cost.

That is why I say Sacred Soil is better the cost is appropriate for how powerful it is and the fact it could be up for 50% of a fight(should never ever do this just like a fully channelled CU) also speaks volumes.

You will never hold collective ever lol it's so bad to hold. you one tick it during an OFF global and never hold it.

I'll just stop arguing with you.
You don't understand what you're talking about.

Hope your day goes well

[Volkaj]

Managing AF stack for both DPSing via ED and Healing via ogcd are SCH identity since AAR.
From what I see, you want a zero DPS loss when using ogcd healing.
Imagine SE change how SCH ogcd heal work from costing 1 AF into 0 AF with longer CD.
If this situation happen, I believe people will be mad like what SE did to AST time manipulation skill.

Reducing the DPS opportunity cost of all AF heals to zero did happen: 5.0, Shadowbringers' launch.
Without Energy Drain, all AF could be used for was for healing, and SCH had heaps of zero-DPS-cost healing, easily beating both WHM and AST.

It was also the most boring playstyle ever made in this game.
In my opinion, even with ED back SCH has one of the most boring playstyles in the game. I honestly don't care right now if SCH's healing or DPS tools are weaker/stronger than AST/WHM. Its just a complete bore to play.

And you can clearly see that SCH's AF was an afterthought for SE because not only was ED not there on launch, but it came back as an outright copy-paste of the SB version, completely at odds with the new AF mechanics they made for SMN.

[Sighearth]

yea but we are comparing ogcd vs ogcd. ast have better ogcds period