SCH needs help

[technole]

Assylum 90 sec CD vs Soil 30 sec CD.
If you keep soil up you will have a total of 1500 potency heal in 90 sec.
So Soil is very strong compared to both Assylum and CU

Yep. Soil is the best healing oGCD in the game, and they come up with rebuttals that don't make any sense.

Math is just hard for some I guess.

[Bobsmiaw]

WHM Asylum has more healing over it's duration (800 potency vs 500 potency) with a plus healing modifier.

Throw in Temerance as well and you get the damage reduction with even more healing modifier.

Assylum 90 sec CD vs Soil 30 sec CD.
If you keep soil up you will have a total of 1500 potency heal in 90 sec.
So Soil is very strong compared to both Assylum and CU

[Brandedblade]

AST actually has more lossless healing than SCH does. Sacred Soil is just so OP that it outshines quite a bit of WHM and ASTs options.

It also has lower personal damage then sch and requires the use of a buff maintenance mechanic to make up, if not surpass sch. And alot of its lossless healing is like I said, more cooldown restrictive and are depending on the AST's sect to determine how to use and get the most efficiency out of it.

AST is also worse on mana efficiency, perhaps their mana efficiency issues are an intended weakness to balance against their lossless heals? So while true AST has all the lossless heals, it's also the most punished on mp when forced to access its gcd kit. It does have Neutral sect and synastry to pump out more efficiency from their gcds, but they're also on long cooldowns.

[Mhaeric]

WHM Asylum has more healing over it's duration (800 potency vs 500 potency) with a plus healing modifier.

Throw in Temerance as well and you get the damage reduction with even more healing modifier.

You can use Sacred Soil three times for every Asylum and four times for every Temperance.

[Connor]

Despite still (somehow) being a Scholar main, I’ll still admit that it really needs help play-style wise.

What I dislike most about Scholar is that so many of our abilities are useless most of the time.

Sacred Soil? Nope, better using Indomitability
Succor? Nope, better using Indomitability
Seraph? You guessed it, better using Indomitability.

I mean, it’s pretty telling that everyone kept asking for a ‘guaranteed crit shield’ ability, but then when we do get one we use it for literally anything but shields lol (aka Indomitability)

It’s like, why have spells/abilities like Physick, Adloquium, Succor, Sacred Soil, if they’re just going to make it so we’re losing out when we use them? Why not replace them with damage spells or w/e if they’re not going to make us heal with them lol.

Idk it’s like, I feel like if the devs just randomly decided to delete all of Scholar’s abilities except Lustrate, Indomitability, Excogitation and Seraph it’d play with the exact same efficiency as it does now and would still breeze through the majority of content.

I always liked the idea of Scholar having lots of equally weighted abilities whose strengths come out when use tactically rather than reactively. I’m not sure I like the idea of Scholar having one ‘super’ ability that always outdoes the rest.

Naturally, for single target healing it’s the exact same except you’re removing Physick/Adloquium from your hotbar in exchange for Lustrate/Excogitation

[Side-Eye]

As the presumptive shield healer with a guaranteed meta spot, I'm not sure why this thread exists.

[KDSilver]

As the presumptive shield healer with a guaranteed meta spot, I'm not sure why this thread exists.

Scholar is not "meta".
https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...lercombineddps
We have more variety at any type of level right now.

[Synaesthesia]

Scholar is not "meta".
https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...lercombineddps
We have more variety at any type of level right now.

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/33#class=Healers

I can't find old statistics, but I think it's actually less variety than used to be in Stormblood, even White Mage didn't have such a trailing adoption rate relative to Astrologian now. The point of balance isn't to make classes mathematically equal, it's to make sure they're all viable and desired enough so that players don't get locked out. It's ironic that they've made the classes more mathematically balanced than ever but created such a desire imbalance at the same time that the results aren't really any better than they've ever been.

Scholar is a very well represented class which is currently in a close 2nd for representation with third place being distant.

I do not think that Astrologian should be buffed to bring up its numbers, either. The low representation is pretty clearly coming from gameplay dislikes, not from a lack of power.

Scholar is a class that's being used frequently and with good result. Players in this thread looking for Scholar buffs arguing with numbers are asking to be placed solidly at the top again and lock out other healers at this point rather than asking because they feel a need to stop getting kicked from party finder groups for playing a bad class. This is counter to the reasoning they made all of these changes to begin with.

[Billythepancake]

I don't really care if SCH is top dog or bottom bitch, tbh. I just want SCH to be fun to play and to feel good to use again. I want my DPS abilities back and I want my fairy to both feel impactful and to feel like it's more than just a glorified oGCD that doesn't work half the damn time. (I also want my 2 separate fairies to do 2 different things. If SMN got to keep Titan, and he was reworked to be a bit more useful, while still kind of niche,I don't see why they couldn't do the same for Selene instead of just making her EOS) numbers are whatever. If broil had a potency of 700 and SCH was laughably OP I still wouldn't enjoy the class, because it wouldn't change things like using broil over 100 times in a Savage fight.

[Synaesthesia]

I don't really care if SCH is top dog or bottom bitch, tbh. I just want SCH to be fun to play and to feel good to use again. I want my DPS abilities back and I want my fairy to both feel impactful and to feel like it's more than just a glorified oGCD that doesn't work half the damn time. (I also want my 2 separate fairies to do 2 different things. If SMN got to keep Titan, and he was reworked to be a bit more useful, while still kind of niche,I don't see why they couldn't do the same for Selene instead of just making her EOS) numbers are whatever. If broil had a potency of 700 and SCH was laughably OP I still wouldn't enjoy the class, because it wouldn't change things like using broil over 100 times in a Savage fight.

I agree completely.. Scholar used to be the sort of healer that was fun enough to play that when I started playing, I finished Stormblood completely without even trying Summoner and didn't seriously try a DPS for the entire expansion. It was fun to play just about anywhere. The DPS skills were enough to feel varied but not overwhelming to distract you from your primary role, it was really good design.. Having to place your fairy, choose which one to use and also getting immediate response off of skills made the central class mechanic also much more engaging to use than it is now.

Now we have two healers that have lost a lot of joy in Shadowbringers, participation numbers are just as skewed as ever, and people are still fighting on the forums over nuances between skills.