Why is RDM invisible right now? Where is the outrage?

[Arete-Nomos]

I am posting because I am disappointed in the lack of community outrage surrounding RDM, and the lack of attention from the dev team concerning RDM. When I heard that they named every job in the recent Live Letter except for Red, I was furious.

RDM has been bottom of the barrel alongside Dancer for the entire patch. But all I hear about is SMN rework, NIN rework, even SAM rework. Yes SMN is awful to play and needs help too, but SMN isn't the one getting locked out of party finder. And now ranged DPS are getting buffed too, but not a damn word about Red. Ranged DPS are not competing with Casters for party finder slots as much as RDM is competing with the other casters. So where are the promises of RDM buffs?

The discussion around Raise Tax is ludicrous. RDM players are constantly talking about how we need to delete Verraise to get the potency buffs we need. They are so desperate to even just get into party finder groups that they're willing to throw this skill in the garbage, like some desperate plea deal. Make no mistake: RDM's poor performance this tier is not an intentional consequence of having a Raise, but rather a failure of the dev team to balance the job.

We know that "raise tax" isn't even a condition for RDM to have competitive output. Throughout Stormblood, RDM has always been on par with BLM. In Deltascape, BLM had around 5% more pDPS than RDM, which was greatly outshined by Embolden at the time. By Alpha, they were up to 9.5% more pDPS, but Embolden still put the two jobs on close footing - there was maybe a 200 dps difference. To be clear: RDM was as strong as, if not stronger than, BLM throughout Stormblood. Raise tax was hardly a factor back then - at least not enough to merit locking RDM out of parties. But look at the statistics for Eden now: BLM is 1.3k DPS ahead of RDM - that's over 15% more contribution than Red. That is a massive gap.

Regardless, as Yoshi P said in Live Letter 53, BLM is balanced around not having a raise - that's fine! Give BLM more damage, whatever. But for RDM to be behind by 1.3k rDPS? That is just bonkers. Not to mention the fact that BLM's mobility vastly outperforms RDM's mobility in Savage right now - the single GCD of movement that RDM gets (dependent on standing still every 2.5 seconds) cannot compete with the on-demand chain of instant GCDs and multiple teleports that BLM have at their fingertips. Why would anyone bring a RDM when they could bring a BLM? Verraise is irrelevant here. Either you need the raise and you're not ready to clear (damage doesn't matter), or you are ready to clear and you just need more damage (non-healer raising wont save you).

RDM doesn't need anything drastic. Just give us potency buffs to put us in line with the other DPS. We don't need to remove or rework job mechanics. Just make our damage competitive.

This problem has been apparent for so long, and it's time we spoke out about it a bit more.

[CKNovel]

I still remember the dude saying "We had EIGHT death in our run and still managed to do it!" until someone checked the logs to reveal that the healers did 6 of them.

RDM is not a resMachine, it's not a healMachine.
In no world a res from a RDM would save 1.3k dps. If your team dies so much you need a RDM to instant res all of them, the problem is the team.

There might be a clip where a RDM raise 3-4 people at the time to get a clear before enrage but that's the same as using a LB3 heal, except the LB3 heal escapes Weakness debuff.

I guess we just have to trust Yoshi-P and the Dev team about the jobs getting adjustments.

[Miminming]

The difference between all the bottom 5 in so small that its hard to say SMN is above RDM, RDM getting a locked out of PF... er its not just number... they have this casual brand... that make people tend to lock them out and in jp they are well known for their death being more than 65% at a time (the highest of all...) so...

Anyway the PLL say they gonna buff ranged which mean all ranged (i hope except BLM) so what else should a RDM ask? The gameplay is fine the MP got fixed in early patch... nothing left to say... ./shrug

[Katie_Kitty]

I still remember the dude saying "We had EIGHT death in our run and still managed to do it!" until someone checked the logs to reveal that the healers did 6 of them.

RDM is not a resMachine, it's not a healMachine.
In no world a res from a RDM would save 1.3k dps. If your team dies so much you need a RDM to instant res all of them, the problem is the team.

There might be a clip where a RDM raise 3-4 people at the time to get a clear before enrage but that's the same as using a LB3 heal, except the LB3 heal escapes Weakness debuff.

I guess we just have to trust Yoshi-P and the Dev team about the jobs getting adjustments.

Honestly if you have a party that dies so much that you need RDM's chain rez then I'm pretty sure they're just going to die again and there's no way you're going to clear. The amount of times I've rez'd like 3 people at once is pretty high and you know what happens in 100% of the time when I do that? yep you guessed it people die again to another mechanic afterwards, there is no point at which multiple people will just happen to die and need RDM's chain rez and then they all get up and do everything perfectly and we even have a chance to clear. None.

It's not even that great for prog because if people are dying that much then they will just die to the next mechanic or the second-next mechanic, rarely does RDM raise even make it possible to extend the fight by much if at all.

[Katie_Kitty]

RDM getting a locked out of PF... er its not just number... they have this casual brand... that make people tend to lock them out and in jp they are well known for their death being more than 65% at a time (the highest of all...) so...

??I have no idea what you're talking about. Maybe try not projecting your hatred of red mages onto everyone else thanks.

[MaelleRiou]

Red mage is the training wheels for raiding. They're useful for learning the fights, but once the raid group has got the mechanics mostly down and are ready to push for kills it's better to have a black mage. It's probably not fair to heavily penalize red mage for that since it's basically just there for learning fights.

But red mage isn't significantly behind summoner as things currently are. It's just that the top half of DPS is way above the bottom half. Though I believe the life letter promised to adjust that, so may be better come end of October.

[Katie_Kitty]

Red mage is the training wheels for raiding. They're useful for learning the fights, but once the raid group has got the mechanics mostly down and are ready to push for kills it's better to have a black mage. It's probably not fair to heavily penalize red mage for that since it's basically just there for learning fights.

But red mage isn't significantly behind summoner as things currently are. It's just that the top half of DPS is way above the bottom half. Though I believe the life letter promised to adjust that, so may be better come end of October.

You shouldn't have to switch jobs. Why is Red Mage the only job in the game that has to deal with people telling them they "should" switch or calling them "training wheels"? That is such a BS mentality and I refuse to accept being kept down just because some people have this warped perception of my favorite job.

[Rasikko]

If it makes you feel any better, whenever I end up in with another Dancer, I wish I could switch to RDM. Simply put, if I don't want a single target snooze fest, I go to RDM.

[Leidiriv]

I agree 100%. No job should be cursed to be the "training wheels" job. That'd be like if Bard suddenly had its rDPS cut by another 10% relative to the ranged because they had Refresh and everyone was shrugging their shoulders at the Bards who wanted to actually be able to perform the role of ranged DPS relatively similarly to their peers because "giving MP back is a powerful utility for prog, you're supposed to swap off Bard once the healers are more comfortable with MP and people aren't dying anymore." Either give RDM actual defensive utility that can ACTUALLY make a difference for a group (not on the GCD ofc) and delete/nerf Verraise while closing the gap a bit, or just bring RDM completely in line with BLM/the upcoming post-rework SMN and throw Verraise in the trash. I'm tired of having that damn skill as an anchor and having ot used as a justification for every last one of RDM's problems.

[Sunako]

Buffing ranged dps affect RDM as well? They did not said buffing physical ranged dps only? SMN changes are mainly gameplay changes and you have said yourself you dont want gameplay changes, but potency changes. Why would they mention especially buffing RDM potency if they are gonna buff all ranged dps in general? RDM is relatively balanced compared to most ranged jobs right now. BLM is just overtuned compared to anything else.