Astral/Umbral???

[Kio]

I don't like the whole astral/umbral concept. It feels limited and awkward, I wish they'd change into the more commonly seen elemental wheel.

[Pofo]

I don't like the whole astral/umbral concept. It feels limited and awkward, I wish they'd change into the more commonly seen elemental wheel.

Astral and Umbral is just light and dark, which consists of 3 Elements each, which are very much similar to FFXI's Light Skillchain properties (Thunder, Wind, Fire), and Darkness Skillchain (Water, Ice, Stone), if I'm not mistaken.

[Mychael]

Astral and Umbral is just light and dark, which consists of 3 Elements each, which are very much similar to FFXI's Light Skillchain properties (Thunder, Wind, Fire), and Darkness Skillchain (Water, Ice, Stone), if I'm not mistaken.

Well in the beginning of XIV, Umbral (essentially dark-based) and Astral (light-based) spells were pretty much all Thaumaturge had (the whole "power over life and death" thing). When they shuffled abilities, CNJ passed three elements to THM, and astral/umbral spells basically disappeared from the game. :< I miss them, and would like to see them back. ^^

[Skies]

I'm not very sure what the OP has against Astral and Umbral elements? I mean, it's not like our elemental relationship is centered around the Astral/Umbral relationship, unless I misunderstand things.

Astral and Umbral are like our seventh and eighth elements, though they're combinations of elements. I think it's a pretty interesting and unique concept, and i'd sincerely like to see it worked on a bit more and used a little bit more often.

[VoltaAsura]

I'm pretty sure we will see the spells come back one day, the game still has many more years left, and who knows what will happen? I have a hunch to suspect that ARCANIST will be what THM was originally.

[Rydin]

I'm pretty sure we will see the spells come back one day, the game still has many more years left, and who knows what will happen? I have a hunch to suspect that ARCANIST will be what THM was originally.

Not gonna lie to you... that would make my day...
Its weird.. the original description of Arcanist made it sound like anything but an Arcane magic user
I would love it if the new Arcanist focused on light and Dark

[Arale]

Arcanist is going to be Time magic or A/U in my opinion. A lot of time magic THM had is gone now so it makes sense to me. :3

[Rydin]

Arcanist is going to be Time magic or A/U in my opinion. A lot of time magic THM had is gone now so it makes sense to me. :3

I sure hope so... when arcanist was first discovered... someone found text that described arcanist as using magical traps or something...
But Arcane magic IS A/U and time magic... So I'd be disappointed if Arcanist wasn't that

[viion]

They are in the 2.0 screenshot, i think its them anyway. http://www.heartcoregaming.com/wp-co...FFXIV_2_00.jpg

Look on the bar for the enemy. (but it also shows Shell which has been removed...)

[Rydin]

They are in the 2.0 screenshot, i think its them anyway. http://www.heartcoregaming.com/wp-co...FFXIV_2_00.jpg

Look on the bar for the enemy. (but it also shows Shell which has been removed...)

Shell as a status effect has not been removed... Shell as a spell has.
Ironwill Unguent
is an item that grants the effect "Shell"
I do see the "Scourge" debuff though